Gameday Thread (5/17/23): Angels @ Orioles - Canning on the mound

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[Swordsman78]

Crucial game.  Need to win this one badly. C'mon Canning...we need a maximum effort.

[Chuck]

 

[Justin]

6 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

On one hand that's really discouraging. On the other hand, they still have a winning record; what happens if they improve their defense? 

[Lou]

17 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

"Show More"

 

That's ok, I'm good.

[HeavenlyHalos]

36 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

I think they are still only one game above .500 when scoring first which is nuts. On the optimistic approach, they are .500 when the other team scores which is also nuts but in a good way.

[Chuck]

23 minutes ago, Lou said:

"Show More"

 

That's ok, I'm good.

I got you. 

[Angelsjunky]

Mike Trout through 40 games played:

2012: .354/.412/.565

2013: .293/.364/.549

2014: .269/.357/.531

2015: .288/.386/.555

2016: .320/.408/.567

2017: .350/.466/.757

2018: .315/.450/.650

2019: .278/.449/.541

2020: .303/.400/.665

2021: .333/.466/.624 (36 games)

2022: .319/.425/.674

2023: .274/.361/.490

Translation: Trout is off to the worst start (through 40 games) of any season in his career, with a career low in SLG - the first time it has been under .500 at this point in the year. Second lowest BA and OBP, after 2014 - which was the worst full season of his career, at least discounting 2022 (though his first MVP season).

[Angels 1961]

54 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Mike Trout through 40 games played:

2012: .354/.412/.565

2013: .293/.364/.549

2014: .269/.357/.531

2015: .288/.386/.555

2016: .320/.408/.567

2017: .350/.466/.757

2018: .315/.450/.650

2019: .278/.449/.541

2020: .303/.400/.665

2021: .333/.466/.624 (36 games)

2022: .319/.425/.674

2023: .274/.361/.490

Translation: Trout is off to the worst start (through 40 games) of any season in his career, with a career low in SLG - the first time it has been under .500 at this point in the year. Second lowest BA and OBP, after 2014 - which was the worst full season of his career, at least discounting 2022 (though his first MVP season).

Too many days off throws off his timing.

[Angelsjunky]

Since April 30: .185/.267/.259, 1 HR in 60 PA, 6.7 BB%, 43 wRC+

What is very strange about Trout's season is that his BB% is a career worst (10.0%), and usually walk rate is one of the last things to go. This implies that maybe we're not seeing aging as much as him pressing and/or simply off, or out of sorts. Meaning, it might be mostly or entirely in his head. 

Last year his walk rate was also very low, the second worst of his career. I think a lot of that was him pressing too hard after the team's mega-slump, and he never really recovered it. He was crushing the ball before the slump (see above), and then was terrible for long stretches. So basically 2023 has been a continuation of last year's slumping Trout.

I do think a lot of it is the high fastballs, but in the past he's always found a way to adjust. We're now a full calendar year into him essentially not being able to adjust. 

[T.G.]

Now that it's out there that the Angels haven't been shut out since Aug. 21, 2022... you just know they're going to get shut out today.

[Angelsjunky]

4 minutes ago, T.G. said:

Now that it's out there that the Angels haven't been shut out since Aug. 21, 2022... you just know they're going to get shut out today.

Don't worry, I didn't post that stat.

[Swordsman78]

20 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Too many days off throws off his timing.

If the rest is creating extra strength which makes him swing too hard then I would agree.   His swing is more violent than normal.  He should try hitting for contact at this point. 

[Swordsman78]

IT is encouraging that they have come from behind in the 8th or later 3 times already.  This shows they aren't quitting.  Reflection of Good intensity from the coaching staff.

#sorrynotsorry

 

[Revad]

Let’s go Canning, give us at least six innings tonight!

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

Come Perry get us a SP and 2 RP

[eligrba4ever]

2 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

Mike Trout through 40 games played:

2012: .354/.412/.565

2013: .293/.364/.549

2014: .269/.357/.531

2015: .288/.386/.555

2016: .320/.408/.567

2017: .350/.466/.757

2018: .315/.450/.650

2019: .278/.449/.541

2020: .303/.400/.665

2021: .333/.466/.624 (36 games)

2022: .319/.425/.674

2023: .274/.361/.490

Translation: Trout is off to the worst start (through 40 games) of any season in his career, with a career low in SLG - the first time it has been under .500 at this point in the year. Second lowest BA and OBP, after 2014 - which was the worst full season of his career, at least discounting 2022 (though his first MVP season).

So you're saying Trout is De Mang!!!!

[eligrba4ever]

GO ANGELS!!!

Is Tony 2 Bags returning anytime soon?

[Angels 1961]

Angel's 0 and 3 when Moniak starts.

[Angels 1961]

1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

Since April 30: .185/.267/.259, 1 HR in 60 PA, 6.7 BB%, 43 wRC+

What is very strange about Trout's season is that his BB% is a career worst (10.0%), and usually walk rate is one of the last things to go. This implies that maybe we're not seeing aging as much as him pressing and/or simply off, or out of sorts. Meaning, it might be mostly or entirely in his head. 

Last year his walk rate was also very low, the second worst of his career. I think a lot of that was him pressing too hard after the team's mega-slump, and he never really recovered it. He was crushing the ball before the slump (see above), and then was terrible for long stretches. So basically 2023 has been a continuation of last year's slumping Trout.

I do think a lot of it is the high fastballs, but in the past he's always found a way to adjust. We're now a full calendar year into him essentially not being able to adjust. 

Trout 3 hits tonight with HR and 4 RBI's

[Angelsjunky]

3 minutes ago, eligrba4ever said:

So you're saying Trout is De Mang!!!!

All joking aside, it might turn out that way. The story isn't over, though, but it sure seems like we're seeing Trout in a similar place as Pujols was in 2011-12. Let's hope he can bounce back, or at least have a slower decline. 

 

[HeavenlyHalos]

This is the worst Angels defensive team I've ever seen

[rafibomb]

Bradish is one of the arms we traded to the Orioles for Dylan Bundy

Edited May 17, 2023 by rafibomb

[Blarg]

Mr Renfroe and Mr Ward should be apologizing to Mr Canning for their defense missques. 

[Blarg]

15 minutes ago, HeavenlyHalos said:

This is the worst Angels defensive team I've ever seen

Obviously you missed last season.