KRod v Wagner

[stormngt]

There is a lot of love for Wagner to get into the HOF.  However, none for KRod.

Both played 16 years.  Wagner has better ERA, ERA +, Whip, FIP.

KRod has more Saves, holds the record for most saves in a season, won a WS, and was a closer for 5 playoff teams.  A Closer does play a pivotal role in winning championship.  And it could be argued without KRod in 2002, Angels don't win the WC let alone the WS.

And i have been told many times on this board that ERA for a meaningless stat.

And for a closer, their ultimate job is to save the game and close it out.

 

Edited December 29, 2023 by stormngt

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, stormngt said:

Looking over the stats, KRod numbersiare are very similiar to Joe Nathon in ERA, WHIP, ERA+ and FIP.  

Nathon is already in the hall.  Why doesnt KRod get more love?

Joe Nathan is not in the Hall of Fame.  Last year was his first year of eligibility and he was named on only 4.3% of the ballots, which means he has been removed from further voting consideration.

[Roy Hobbs]

It's probably the two domestic violence arrests.

[stormngt]

4 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Joe Nathan is not in the Hall of Fame.  Last year was his first year of eligibility and he was named on only 4.3% of the ballots, which means he has been removed from further voting consideration.

My bad, will edit it.  I misread the news report.

[stormngt]

4 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

It's probably the two domestic violence arrests.

I am willing to bet there are a lot more HOF members who have hit their wives.  I am sure just over 50% of the ones who played in the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 70s have hit their wives.

[m0nkey]

7 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Both played 16 years.  Wagner has better ERA, ERA +, Whip, FIP.

And strikeouts, and K/9, H/9, BB/9.  

But other than that

[Roy Hobbs]

19 minutes ago, stormngt said:

I am willing to bet there are a lot more HOF members who have hit their wives.  I am sure just over 50% of the ones who played in the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 70s have hit their wives.

You asked why he gets no "love" and I think that is why.I get what you're saying but I think we look at DV a little different than 50 years ago. He beat up the father of his girlfriend and punched and kicked the mother of his child.How many of those older players were arrested?

[Erstad Grit]

HOF isn't  a big fan of closers. I think top 7 closers should be in, which would include Krod 

[stormngt]

2 hours ago, m0nkey said:

And strikeouts, and K/9, H/9, BB/9.  

But other than that

So those stats are more important than actually closing out games.  For a closer the object of the game is to not let the opponent tie the game or win the game.

So i really do not care if he gets all strikouts or closes it with a DP.

[stormngt]

2 hours ago, Roy Hobbs said:

You asked why he gets no "love" and I think that is why.I get what you're saying but I think we look at DV a little different than 50 years ago. He beat up the father of his girlfriend and punched and kicked the mother of his child.How many of those older players were arrested?

Like you said, they looked at things differently 50 years ago.  Hell just by watching Hollywood movies  of those times, its no wonder why domestic violence was so common.  

[REDneck]

Intriguing!

I think the bigger question is are these fuckers gonna sign someone of note, so that we can stop debating the merits of fringe HOF candidates?

We can always go back to this topic.

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

He could get in for his accomplishments in 2002 alone.  
 

the HOF is a joke anyway.  They should change it up and recognize HOF-esque performances.  His 02 was enough.  

[Taylor]

Ralston Schmidt was the first person to get voted in with 100% of ballots.

[m0nkey]

20 hours ago, stormngt said:

So those stats are more important than actually closing out games.  For a closer the object of the game is to not let the opponent tie the game or win the game.

So i really do not care if he gets all strikouts or closes it with a DP.

Billy Wagner had a higher save % (69 blown saves, 85.9%) than Rodriguez (76 blown saves, 85.2%)

[cals]

It’s pretty racist to not vote in a Latino guy because he hits his wife.

[stormngt]

47 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

Billy Wagner had a higher save % (69 blown saves, 85.9%) than Rodriguez (76 blown saves, 85.2%)

You are talking about a .7 difference.

[Amazing Larry]

56 minutes ago, cals said:

It’s pretty racist to not vote in a Latino guy because he hits his wife.

He’ll get into the Venezuelan HOF because over there it adds to his credentials. 

[cals]

4 hours ago, Lhalo said:

He’ll get into the Venezuelan HOF because over there it adds to his credentials. 

Yeah, in Latin America if you don’t beat your wife then maybe your a joto.

[stormngt]

5 hours ago, m0nkey said:

Billy Wagner had a higher save % (69 blown saves, 85.9%) than Rodriguez (76 blown saves, 85.2%)

I do believe save conversion rate is a good stat for closers.  However the difference was 7 blown saves.  About one every two years played.  There isnt much difference.