2020 Democratic Field

[Angelsjunky]

But yes, most Democrats are centrist in terms of economic and military -- perhaps even to the right of center. The difference between Bush, Obama, and Clinton in terms of the Middle East is negligible. 

[Blarg]

55 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

What do you mean by "what's going on?" Identity politics is just one aspect of the political discssion and isn't synonymous with the left. In other words, not everyone on the left is a SJW (myself included), just as not everyone on the right is a religious fundamentalist.

You nor I are represented in the media because we don't create loud noises and reactionary response. But the imagery of the left is associating with SJW socialism while the right is tagged with corporate elitism. Neither is true, both elected sides are corporate elitist in practice save a few outliers. God help us if the outliers become the majority. 

[Adam]

It appears as though the next group of dem candidates took a few huge hops to the left aside from war. In any case this is the natural regression of democratic politics. Right and left attempt to distance themselves from each other as much as possible. This you end up with a loud alt-right and an even louder socialist left. We are lucky we lasted this long.

[floplag]

13 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

What do you mean by "what's going on?" Identity politics is just one aspect of the political discssion and isn't synonymous with the left. In other words, not everyone on the left is a SJW (myself included), just as not everyone on the right is a religious fundamentalist.

On the Political Compass X-Y axis, identity politics isn't as much a matter of left-right as it is pro (social) authoritarianism and anti libertarianism. You can be a left-libertarian (again, like myself). Identity politics is more left-authoritarian (we must all believe the same thing, in our neo-socialist utopia); it is the left counterpart to right-authoritarianism, which usually equates with the religious right (we must all follow the same religious tenets).

Identity politics IS the political discussion today. 

Noones talking about issues, they are talking about racism, sexism, and demographics.  And yes i do largely blame the left for it, at least for its incredible escalation in the last decade or so.  Half of the wont even talk to Trump... why?  Oh well hes a racist/sexist asshole... no shit he has been for 30 years.  I dont give a rats ass do your damned jobs.  

Find me even one Dem today who has a platform other than "resist", and well talk. 

The religious right can kiss my ass but ill be damned if im going to support another group who is flat out calling me racist and sexist based on my color and sex all while calling everyone else racist and sexist, thats a level of hypocrisy that would create a logic bomb.  

[Rico]

David Duke is off his meds.

 

 

[Lhalo]

It makes me wonder if the democratic party pays David Duke to support whoever they think might be a threat to their establishment pick.

[Adam]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

David Duke is off his meds.

 

 

This is great. Plenty on the left are anti-Israel - aligned with David Duke. 

[Angelsjunky]

2 hours ago, floplag said:

Identity politics IS the political discussion today. 

Noones talking about issues, they are talking about racism, sexism, and demographics.  And yes i do largely blame the left for it, at least for its incredible escalation in the last decade or so.  Half of the wont even talk to Trump... why?  Oh well hes a racist/sexist asshole... no shit he has been for 30 years.  I dont give a rats ass do your damned jobs.  

Find me even one Dem today who has a platform other than "resist", and well talk. 

The religious right can kiss my ass but ill be damned if im going to support another group who is flat out calling me racist and sexist based on my color and sex all while calling everyone else racist and sexist, thats a level of hypocrisy that would create a logic bomb.  

Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard talk issues and only minimally identity politics, and probably mostly to pander to the Dem base. Similarly with the resist Trump stuff. Let's face it: to be a successful Democrat you have to at least give lip service to identity politics and the "Resistance."

But yeah, I agree with you about identity politics. But you're shifting around here and playing into the "us vs them" narrative. Don't buy it. The choice is not Trump or Dem SJWs - only if we let it be.

[floplag]

32 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard talk issues and only minimally identity politics, and probably mostly to pander to the Dem base. Similarly with the resist Trump stuff. Let's face it: to be a successful Democrat you have to at least give lip service to identity politics and the "Resistance."

But yeah, I agree with you about identity politics. But you're shifting around here and playing into the "us vs them" narrative. Don't buy it. The choice is not Trump or Dem SJWs - only if we let it be.

Sanders killed his chance when he endorsed Hillar, and Gabbard has her own baggage, but i would prefer either of them over Harris for example. 
Its hard not to buy it though when it comes directly from the Dem leadership.  Not long ago Pelosi mad a comment about compromise and working with Trump and i thought to myself finally, .... then  her base blew up and she went back into wicked witch mode. 
I refuse to back either if thats the choice they give me, i dont buy into it, but its nearly impossible to separate the narrative from the reality, the words are pretty clear. 

[Adam]

All that's left is identity politics. There's no alternative. There are no innovative ideas that are realistically achievable by any measure. A centrist cannot win unless they campaign as a radical. 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

11 hours ago, floplag said:

And yes i do largely blame the left for it, at least for its incredible escalation in the last decade or so.  Half of the wont even talk to Trump... why?  Oh well hes a racist/sexist asshole... no shit he has been for 30 years. 

Not great qualities in a man who is supposed to be the leader of the free world and who is supposed to govern us all. At least we have passed the halfway point in this national nightmare.

[UndertheHalo]

10 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Not great qualities in a man who is supposed to be the leader of the free world and who is supposed to govern us all. At least we have passed the halfway point in this national nightmare.

We really haven’t.  Trump is just the beginning of this shit. 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

1 minute ago, UndertheHalo said:

We really haven’t.  Trump is just the beginning of this shit. 

Unfortunately, you may be right. My fear is that this country is headed toward a period of extreme political instability, with voters alternately trending left and right, and nobody meeting in the middle (which is almost invariably where the best solution lies).

I found out within the last couple of months that I am a Canadian citizen, due to having a Canadian mother (it passes down one generation). I haven't ruled out using it, depending upon the direction that things take.

[Tank]

3 hours ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Unfortunately, you may be right. My fear is that this country is headed toward a period of extreme political instability, with voters alternately trending left and right, and nobody meeting in the middle (which is almost invariably where the best solution lies).

I found out within the last couple of months that I am a Canadian citizen, EH, due to having a Canadian mother (it passes down one generation), EH. I haven't ruled out using it, EH, depending upon the direction that things take, EH.

get used to it, buddy. you gotta be all in on this.

[floplag]

12 hours ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Not great qualities in a man who is supposed to be the leader of the free world and who is supposed to govern us all. At least we have passed the halfway point in this national nightmare.

No they arent, and im not defending that, but using those as reasons to cripple the nation is pretty much equally egregious in my view.  Especially when the reality to many of them isnt those facts, its that hes Rep.  Hillary and the Dems didnt lose because half the nation is racist/sexist, that to me has been the most absurd lie told in all this. 

This nation has never been more divided politically.  In a time when we need these people to do their jobs and work with each other they are doing exactly the opposite.  Both sides of the aisle are responsible for this failure, however, the dems refusal to even talk is to me the most culpable. That is their job, plain and simple, to talk to each other for the betterment of us all.  Refusing to do so is a failure of that responsibility.   

[Adam]

3 minutes ago, floplag said:

 In a time when we need these people to do their jobs and work with each other they are doing exactly the opposite. 

Serious question. What would you like them to do? What doe "do their jobs" mean to you?

[floplag]

17 minutes ago, Adam said:

Serious question. What would you like them to do? What doe "do their jobs" mean to you?

Serious answer... stop the resist bullshit.  Trump is not Hitler, or any other nonsense terms floated around, there is literally nothing to resist aside from the fact that he is Republican.  Stop refusing to even meet with the man, stop refusing to even discuss options, start getting in there and trying to find that common ground.  So far the Dems under Trump have done nothing but refuse to talk to the man for the most part and double down on identity politics, accusations of racism, sexism, white privileged, and misogyny.   As if those things were somehow partisan or never happen in the Dem party. 

Identity politics is to me the bane of this generation.  It leaves no room for anything and divides us before any conversations has even been attempted.  Where do you go from there?

It is their job to find compromise, not take a my way or we wont even talk to you position.  Obama used a shutdown and congressional majority to get Obamacare done, the same people chastising Trump said nothing then.    

I dont like him. never have, but he is the elected president.   Whether you like him, agree with him, support him... doesnt matter or change that fact.    We as a nation are paying the price for a political power struggle, nothing is getting done, no one is even talking about real issues right now, no one.

The largest reason im so disappointed in the Dems right now is the level of hypocrisy and double standards.   When Obama won all I heard from the left was give him a chance blah blah... 8 years later where is/was that?  For me i would have had a ton more respect had they gone on with doing their jobs rather than spending the last 2 years acting like petulant children upset they didnt get the puppy for Christmas or competitors in a Veruca Salt lookalike contest.   They have failed us when we needed them the most.

[Adam]

The republicans had a ton of political leverage to gain with Obamacare going through. They're going to run on that shit for another decade or two. At the end of the day the only goal any of these people have is to be reelected to their current office or elected to a higher office. Compromising in any way severely damages those opportunities. I think most people want the same thing as you - for politicians to not be politicians. 

 

[Make Angels Great Again]

27 minutes ago, Adam said:

Serious question. What would you like them to do? What doe "do their jobs" mean to you?

 

Permenently close as many government institutions as humanly possible.

 

Oh look, a pig just flew by.

[floplag]

10 minutes ago, Adam said:

The republicans had a ton of political leverage to gain with Obamacare going through. They're going to run on that shit for another decade or two. At the end of the day the only goal any of these people have is to be reelected to their current office or elected to a higher office. Compromising in any way severely damages those opportunities. I think most people want the same thing as you - for politicians to not be politicians. 

 

Honestly, at this point being politicians again would be an upgrade, right now they all look more like the SJW flavor of the month than even that. 

[gotbeer]

Washington Post: Warren listed race as 'American Indian' on Texas bar registration

[Lou]

[Lou]

libs are:

• liars
• racists
• sexual predators 

[RallyMo]

11 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

Washington Post: Warren listed race as 'American Indian' on Texas bar registration

Man, there goes that lying rag WaPo again. 

[RallyMo]

Libs: Libs: Libs: Libs