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Your username really rings true when you post.

Do I think the Angels did enough this offseason to make the postseason in 2020? That's like asking if Pujols sucks or not. Couldn't even get Cole, Ryu, or Kluber, just to name a few. In Kluber's case, go ahead and point out that he wasn't the elite stud on the mound that he was from 2014-2018 based on a small sample size of innings. Go ahead. Eppler needs to go! Making excuses for the clown is useless at this point. 

People gotta get real.  It is potentially possible to land a big fish starter with multiple years of control without trading Adell.  It’s possible.
But then you have to actually pay a fair price.  The notion that Marsh shouldn’t be traded is borderline annoying.
Yes in a perfect world you keep Adell and Canning is arguably part of the long term pitching solution so I can see a GM holding some ground on keeping him.
But then that means you must trade many other valuable pieces.
You can’t get the pitcher the Angels need by giving up a dozen Hermosillos.
High quality, front of the rotation starter will cost high quality front of the pack prospects.
We gotta stop this fantasy that the Angels are going to land a premium controllable starter without trading away quality pieces.

Cole, because..... he allegedly always dreamt about being a Yankee.  Oh, and the richest team by far, offering a crazy deal
Strasburg wanted to go back to DC. And he was offered a crazy deal.
Wheeler wanted to stay in the east.
Bumgarner is a weird dude. He has horses.
Ryu, who has battled injuries lately, and is 32, for four years
I hate it, but it's all understandable. This is why I scoffed at the notion of trying to sign 2 or 3 of these dudes. We are lucky Rendon wanted to play here.
You've gotta go back on a winning track. It will help you get a player or two down the road.  That may have changed things with a couple of the guys

I think it is important to keep in mind that Eppler likely knows his job is on the line this year. If he had unlimited resources from Arte, then he likely would be happy to overpay to bring in Ryu or Keuchel to help save his job. That didn't happen for one reason or another. It is reasonable to assume that either Arte refused to shell out the extra money to bring one of those guys in or Eppler cares more about the long term health of the team despite his job being at risk which is admirable.  
Would an oft injured Ryu  push this team over the top in 2020? Maybe...probably not. Would Keuchel? Even less likely. 
I know we all want to win now and we are tired of losing and having a shitty rotation but the fact is that the actual TOTR arms, that would have had a significant impact on the rotation, did not  sign here at no fault to Arte or Eppler. The secondary arms we have missed out on, while would have helped, are not going to make or break the team and the arms we have added in their place are pretty comparable. The way I look at it, Teheran will be our Keuchel and Bundy will be our Kyle Gibson. They each have very similar projections and came cheaper leaving much more flexibility. 
 I don't think it is ridiculous that so many fans are calling for Eppler's job but I do think it is irrational and I think it would be a mistake. 

I’m getting sick of these threads. No offense to you OP, but this shit has been hashed and rehashed numerous times. 

Everyone keeps saying it was Marsh and another top 10 prospect.  Top 10 Angel prospect, not top baseball prospect.  Big difference.
It kind of blows my mind that people think you can get a pitcher like Kluber without trading something of actual value.
Did we really expect Cleveland to trade Kluber for less than one top 100 prospect (Marsh) and another body not in the top 100 (whomever the second Angel top 10 was)?
Hey maybe the Angels should have just asked them to throw in Bauer to even it out.
 

You forgot to mention he was too cheap to go 8 years on Rendon.

seems like Arte and Billy want to keep Fletcher.

Well it makes sense since Yankees are 103 win team with league's best bull pen and best offense. Only problem they had was they only had mediocre starters that post high 3s to 4 ERAs, and Cole joining there will immediately solve the problem, which makes the Yankees closest team to WS title next year.
Angels on the other hand, has trash starting pitching and mediocre offense. It's 70 win team with Mike Trout anyways. So basically all Angels could say was "We have Trout and warm weather here" while Yankees could say "We are in immediate contention if you join us."
I find it common sense that Cole chose Junkies over Angels at the point of his signing. I just hope Angels can find a way to build strong team around Trout and kick those Junkies ass in the Post Season. Trout,Rendon,Ohtani rocking Cole in ALCS game 7 will give me multiple O's for sure

And the Indians laugh you off the phone 

Claude.
https://www.angelswin.com/forums/topic/40352-justin-upton-for-david-price/?tab=comments#comment-1415511

Sounds crazy right? It probably is, and there's very scenarios I think where it could be realistic, but I did have a few creative ideas brewing around I thought I'd post up to generate some new ideas and discussion. Obviously, any trade involving Heaney is pretty much contingent on the Angels having already secured at least one of Cole/Strasburg, and very likely a solid second arm too, so every scenario below is made with an understanding we've already addressed the top two spots in the rotation. First, some background on Heaney...
Andrew Heaney:
Heaney is due to make a projected $5m in arbitration this winter, perfectly reasonable (in fact, probably a deal) for someone with his floor, upside, and relative dependability, especially for the Angels rotation. A big year could lift his arbitration next season upwards of $8-10m, depending on how well he performs. However, the Angels only control him for two more seasons - 2020 and 2021, meaning he's very likely at the peak of his trade value this winter - more than one year of control, a-yet-unrealized ceiling, and a very affordable salary.
Here are a few possible landing spots for Heaney, and a couple ideas on how it might come to be.
Chicago Cubs: 
Faced with a bloated payroll, numerous needs (including the rotation), and an expectation to rebound with a new manager, the Cubs will likely need to get creative this winter in order to make some necessary moves to improve. Adding to this, there's a Joe Maddon connection now, which could help open some dialogue on certain players. 
Why it makes sense for the Cubs: The Cubs are short on SP prospects and very heavy on expensive veteran SPs - Darvish at $22m, Lester at $20m, Hendricks at $12m, Quintana at $11.5m, with Chatwood ($13m) also in the mix. Hamels at $20m is off the books, but also open to returning. Andrew Heaney, at $5m, would be a huge bargain for a team in need of affordable, dependable, proven pitching. Not quite as dire as their need to clear money and improve their rotation are secondary needs in both the bullpen and at second base, two areas in which the Angels might also be a little flexible, depending on how the rest of the winter's moves play out. Angels young pitching prospects, arbitration relievers, and perhaps even Tommy La Stella or someone like Jahmai Jones or Luis Rengifo could be of interest too. Why it makes sense for the Angels: The Cubs are likely to pick up Jose Quintana's option at $11.5m, and he could become a trade chip. While he costs twice as much as Heaney and comes with one less year of control, he has made 31+ GS every season since 2013 with a 3.72 ERA, 3.59 FIP, and 1.256 WHIP along the way. Essentially, he'd represent an actualized version of what we'd hope to expect from Heaney. Less likely would be Kyle Hendricks, who has four guaranteed years and an option year remaining on an AAV around $13m, an extremely team-friendly deal. Yu Darvish finished the year very strong and the Cubs likely don't see him as a salary dump yet, nor would the Angels be able to easily accommodate his salary. Tyler Chatwood's contract, Angels ties, and groundball tendencies could also factor in to some sort of deal, though the Angels would certainly not take on all the money. The other name to watch is Victor Caratini, who is currently stuck backing up Wilson Contreras, who is under control for three more seasons. Caratini has a lot of value, but the Cubs could make better use of him then relegating him to a back-up - a position that they've still not entirely trusted him with, as they've acquired vet back-ups frequently as well. A theoretical deal: Andrew Heaney, perhaps a lesser-SP prospect and/or a RP or 2B prospect for Quintana/Hendricks and Caratini - the Angels get a proven, stable arm for the rotation and a promising young catcher. Why it won't work: In short, money.
Arizona Diamondbacks:
The Diamondbacks were a surprise contender in 2019, especially after losing Corbin, Pollock, Goldschmidt, and Greinke all over the course of the year. Robbie Ray, Steven Souza, David Peralta, Taijuan Walker, and Jake Lamb are all walking after 2020. Thanks to the Greinke and Goldschmidt trades though, and a brilliant deal for Zac Gallen, they've added an enormous amount of young, MLB-ready talent. 
Why it makes sense for the Diamondbacks: Heaney isn't the best fit for Arizona's needs - he will himself likely hit free agency right before the next wave of prospects starts producing MLB results - but he does offer some stabilization to a rotation that is likely to lose Ray and Walker by the end of 2020, while still giving them an affordable arm to count on the year following. Heaney could benefit from NL West ballparks and find himself strong trade bait for Arizona after 2020 or at the 2021 deadline as well, giving them a chance to top off their farm with more prospects. And again, at a projected $5m arb salary, he'll be affordable.  Why it makes sense for the Angels: Robbie Ray is certainly someone the Angels could and should watch this offseason - numerous teams will be as well. Ultimately, the Angels will likely be outbid in prospect capital if someone swings a deal for Ray, who will be in his last season before free agency and is currently expected to make around $10m-11m in arbitration, but offering Andrew Heaney as a main piece in a Robbie Ray deal could allow them to save from including a prospect or two. Ray's price will certainly still be high though. A theoretical deal: Heaney, Rengifo/Thaiss, Suarez/Barria/Sandoval for Ray - the Angels land that third and final arm to their top two FA signees in a totally revamped rotation featuring Ohtani as the #4, and they do so without giving up Marsh or any other tip-top prospects. The Diamondbacks get a trio of MLB-ready players that can immediately contribute to any 2020 contention hopes they might have. Why it won't work: The Angels are simply outbid on prospect capital, which is more appealing to Arizona.
Cincinnati Reds:
Cincy has declared they intend to increase payroll and push to compete again in 2020, a year after several win-now trades failed to produce a playoff appearance in 2019. Their problem will again be courting free agent pitchers to their ballpark, an issue that forced them to make deals last season for Sonny Gray, Alex Wood, Tanner Roark, and ultimately, Trevor Bauer.
Why it makes sense for the Reds: Once again, the Reds will be tasked with building up some arms behind Castillo and Mahle, and with numerous teams on the hunt for pitching in FA, Cincy might need to turn to trade market. They've also shown a surprising willingness to include prospects in deals, even for short-term rentals, something the Angels might be able to take advantage of. Why it makes sense for the Angels: One thing the Reds also have a number of is solid catchers, including one, Curt Casali, the Angels let get away. Casali also appeared with the Rays in Maddon's final year. Tucker Barnhart is another option here, a sort of Yasmani-lite, a switch-hitter with a bit of pop, good discipline, and good defensive skills. The Reds also have a top prospect, Tyler Stephenson, close to MLB-ready, negating the need for two veteran backstops possibly as soon as this season. Another name to watch here could be any of the Cincinnati relievers, Iglesias, Garrett, Lorenzon, Stephenson, Hughes, Sims, all prove that the Cincy pen is deep enough to allow one departure in a trade, and any of whom would represent solid add to the Angels pen. Anthony DeSclafani is entering his walk year, and is also tabbed for ~$5m in arbitration, and has produced solid results in the rotation, but he wouldn't be an ideal replacement for Heaney in the Angels' rotation, nor would Cincy likely be in a place to swap one SP for another. That said, Heaney's extra year of control and comparable salary could intrigue them, and if the Angels like him as a secondary piece in a deal, it could balance out. A theoretical deal: Heaney (perhaps plus a lotto-ticket prospect like Jones/Ward/Thaiss) for Casali/Barnhart/DeSclafani and a reliever. Why it won't work: As intriguing as any of the Cincinnati names mentioned *could* be, none of them really come with the slam-dunk you'd want in giving up Heaney. Still, Cincy has been aggressive - perhaps they 'overpay' and dangle Garrett, Iglesias, or two-way Anaheim native Lorenzen as a second piece involving a catcher. Chicago White Sox:
Another team hoping to see their youth movement mature into a competitive team in 2020, the White Sox will be seeking stability in their rotation and will again face challenges luring free agents to their team. 
Why it makes sense for Chicago: With Carlos Rodon and Kopech recovering from TJS and a number of young arms still developing, the White Sox have nothing productive behind breakout Lucas Giolito. Heaney would help stabilize the rotation and take some pressure of the Sox young arms without closing the door on a potential '20 surprise season.  Why it makes sense for the Angels: Non-tendered by Detroit last winter and signed by the Sox soon after, veteran catcher James McCann, long well-regarded for his defense, enjoyed a blistering first half offensively. 2020 will be his final year before free agency, and like Heaney, he is tabbed to make around $5m in arbitration. Was his first-half a fluke? Should Chicago have sold high in July? Someone like Heaney could represent an interesting swap, as the money remains the same for Chicago (who also has Welington Castillo on an $8m option as an in-house replacement), and Heaney comes with one more year of control over McCann. That said, the deal would favor Chicago heavily. The Angels could turn their eye to someone like out-of-options Dylan Covey or Rule 5-eligible Dane Dunning as other potential pitching targets to try and rope in as part of a larger deal. A theoretical deal: Heaney (plus perhaps a lesser prospect, Jones, Hermosillo) for McCann and Covey/Dunning Why it won't work: McCann comes with too much risk, especially without any bankable starting pitching returning in the deal. Dunning and Covey might still have a bit too much prospect shine for Chicago to part with either for a short-term rental as well. Other ideas:
Atlanta fits, but not much the Angels could benefit from, unless Atlanta wanted to part with a couple MLB-ready SP prospects. Texas: Heaney, an Oklahoma-native, might appeal from a 'hometown' perspective, and a deal comparable to the Robbie Ray-template could be explored for Mike Minor. As a driver to shed Cozart's salary, even if he's dead-weight to an acquiring team, allowing the Angels to free up an $18m total on 2020 salary for another arm, perhaps someone like a Cole Hamels on a one-year - again, following two other FA SPs. Again - there aren't many scenarios where this makes sense, but I thought there were a couple worth considering and it was something to discuss other than the usual 'Sign Cole, Wheeler, Grandal' rinse and repeats. 
Personally, I like the idea of kicking the tires on a deal with the Cubs involving Caratini, where the Angels help the Cubs out a bit from there financial bind, acquiring a SP and a C in the same deal, and only really losing an expendable prospect and essentially one year of Heaney.
 

Just putting it out there that Rendon is almost certainly not an Angels FA target.

Robles with the save!!!

Those are some big assumptions. 
Will anybody trade a #2 starter for what we have? Probably not, unless Adell is in the mix.

What, and I can't stress this next part enough, the F*ck, are you talking about?
We have literally no pitching. None. We got money. "The timing isn't right" 
I hate you so much

So we’re going to ignore the Cubs performance down the stretch. 

How often is a manager fired after only one year? Ausmus is Eppler's guy.

9 pitches, that's how you do it.

Most Underrated player on the team is Hansel Robles.

Most Underrated player on the team is Hansel Robles.

Yea this is a great post.