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Frieri Meatball

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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Duren, Duren in Will you still root for shohei?   
    I think it will be a much needed lesson for baseball if he fails spectacularly. The imbalance between teams is becoming extreme because of money. 
    The Dodgers have been respected for smart management. Trades and their farm system have been the backbone of their success. But being greedy and going into unprecedented free agent spending on Ohtani deserves karmic payback. It also contradicts what their philosophy stood for. 
    I appreciated what Ohtani did on the field as a player. But never felt comfortable about the preferential treatment he got. 
    He was a silent prima Donna. It was always about him and his well strategized career goals first. The team was just the supporting cast. When it came out how he mapped out the different stages and goals he wanted to achieve as he got older there was nothing about 'team' in there. Any team. Just personal  career and life objectives. And it will be intriguing watching how the Dodger organization and players adapt with him now. It will be a big change in team chemistry. 
    Realistically I think he'll continue to put up big numbers as a slugger. But it's a different league now, with less familiarity. 
    His two way play is really what his identity is about. But by the time he pitches, he will have been with the Dodgers for a year, and who knows what will happen before he throws his first pitch in 2025. The novelty of him as a Dodger will be over. And anything less than a championship will be a disappointment. That's the reason they got him. Other than off field income generation. 
    I think it would be more fun watching him fail (as a ball player)  and have to deal with different media and people he never had to before. 
    I also would like the history books to show that his best years were with the Angels. 
     
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to BILLYMACREXANDGUBI in Will you still root for shohei?   
    Don't make me laugh.
    Shigetoshi Hasegawa will always be my favorite Japanese to play for the Angels.
    Shiggy time > Sho time
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Inside Pitch in Better Owner-fan experience?   
    Best owner-fan relationship I can think of is one where he allows his baseball people to do what they want and pays the bills.
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to tdawg87 in The Official Los Angeles Angels 2023-2024 Hot Stove Offseason Thread   
    That's why he should have sold the team. But he had "unfinished business" which apparently involved letting Ohtani walk to the Dodgers.
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to DCAngelsFan in Forget About Yamamoto   
    Parenthetically, it needs to be said that we cannot worry about getting into the playoffs during the "Trout window" - this can no longer guide our thinking.  No need to recap this past season's catastrophic "reload for a playoff run".
    Like you say, we need to build using improvements in scouting (both US and international), player development, analysis, and while we're at it,  get our names out of the "bad press" business - treat players and their families better, at all levels - no more articles about guys living in their cars and going hungry or being one of the only clubs voting against things like increased spending caps.  I guarantee you, this team has a bit of a crap reputation among players - not Oakland A's terrible, but not the Dodgers, either.  
    Arte's had 20 years to figure this out, and I see few signs of progress - he needs to sell the team to someone with the vision and the will and the money to fix all this broken culture and infrastructure.  
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to cals in Bobby Valentine: Perry was set to trade Ohtani at deadline, Arte stopped him   
    Look, the simple fact here (allegedly) is that Ohtani would have stayed an Angel if Moreno would have matched the offer.  He did not.  
    After the debacles of Pujols, Hamilton and Rendon, you can understand that position (to an extent).
    But the insanity of trading the farm away at the end of July (and not trading Ohtani) for an outside chance of getting to the playoffs can’t be understated.  It sets the club back years.
    And was it all because an aging owner, faced with his own mortality, figured he’d give it one shot before he sells or dies?  That’s a selfish and terrible way to run a sports franchise. 
    And it also makes it clear that had he sold to a competent group or individual last offseason, Ohtani would likely still be here as the crown jewel of their new franchise.  
    So basically: Fuck you Moreno.
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Inside Pitch in Angels did not match the Dodgers offer   
    The takeaway for me isn't that he wanted to -- it's that nothing had changed and the "unfinished business" guy is still keeping his GMs from being successful.
    I was hoping maybe that had changed.
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to cals in Bobby Valentine: Perry was set to trade Ohtani at deadline, Arte stopped him   
    So it changes my opinion of Ohtani if he did in fact want to stay with the Angels but took the Dodgers money when Moreno wouldn’t match.  
    And it’s absolutely asinine for Moreno not to match whatever was being offered by other teams after he chose not to trade him.  
    What it tells me is the Angels front office severely underestimated what he was going to get (like most of us here).
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Docwaukee in Shohei Ohtani signs with the Dodgers (10 years, $700 million)   
    And from August first of 2023, the Angels had zero shot of keeping him.  Their only chance to prove to Shohei that they could do what was necessary to win was 2023.  Just prior to the deadline they were within shouting distance of the wild card.  Injuries had piled up and Perry was essentially forced to make a bunch of trades to maintain what he was able to piece together from earlier in the season.  The problem was that his deadline was an absolute miserable failure that ultimately left the team with 73 wins and zero chance to re-sign him.  If you pull out all of the stops and end up with 73 wins while going 17-38 over the final 55 games of a must win season, you have zero chance to keep a guy who's main priority is winning.  
    The long term success of any baseball franchise is the farm system.  You might be able to occasionally piece together a halfway decent team via the free agent market and some trades, but ultimately, to create sustainable winning, you need to have a capable farm system.  This is not a mystery to any of us.   
    And it's not just about having a young, club controlled, major league team.  You always need to worry about the next guy.  Injury and poor performance happen as we've seen.  Over and Over and Over.  
    Having Ohtani and Trout.  Two generational players and not being able to piece together a winner just tells you how important this really is.  And the real kick in the teeth is that the farm was kinda moving in the right direction yet to convince Ohtani to stay, you have to essentially put a major dent in what little progress the system had made.   And because they're stubborn and short-sighted as a franchise as they've been for the last 20 years, they were never going to trade their golden goose for what is actually even more important that a Unicorn.  
    So here we stand once again.  With the worst farm in baseball.  Yes, there is some young talent on this roster but in order to win it will take everyone reaching their potential and very few, if any, injuries.  
    I actually don't care that they didn't keep Shohei for that kind of money.  I'm most annoyed because of the double bitch slap at the end.  Not trading him AND selling off a bunch of prospects to try and keep him.  Recently I have wanted to believe that this franchise was doing things to move in the right direction.  Nope, they just doubled down and put themselves in a lose lose.  
    I really don't think I'm gonna feel a lot of positivity toward this team until Arte no longer owns it.  
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to ettin in How do you think Arte feels?   
    And to be clear we could have locked Ohtani up a couple of years ago and probably at about 50% less than what he just signed. Of course Ohtani would have to be agreeable to sign it, but this could have played out a lot differently, years ago, if Arte had the balls.
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to ettin in How do you think Arte feels?   
    I don't give two shit's how Arte is feeling. This is just another nail in the proverbial coffin of the Angels franchise, because he didn't have the foresight to lock up Shohei Ohtani. To his credit he did lock up Mike Trout, but at what cost when he didn't have the balls to be a large market franchise and make large market moves to surround Trout (and Ohtani at the time) with the right supporting cast. He just contributed to some big fumbles over the last decade to make the "splash", rather than consistently smart baseball moves.
    The day that he needs to sell the franchise hopefully comes sooner, not later. Like Scioscia, he has been at the helm too long, no matter what you think of him, good or bad.
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Stradling in Shohei Ohtani signs with the Dodgers (10 years, $700 million)   
    I’m going to get shit on for this, but there is NO way in hell he will be worth that. None. 
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to T.G. in The Official Los Angeles Angels 2023-2024 Hot Stove Offseason Thread   
    Ohtani has been living in a tent by the Santa Ana River.  He doesn't plan to move.
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Chuck in If Ohtani Goes Elsewhere   
    If he signs here for 600 million then Arte better be ready to blow past the tax threshold for the next few years to win with Trout/Ohtani and go out there and get Snell or Yamamoto and get some 3B insurance and a couple relievers like Hicks and Stephenson. 
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to jordan in 大谷翔平 - The Official Shohei Ohtani Thread   
    So many people are completely discounting Ohtani returning to the Angels.  But he’s got a place in his heart for the team, the fans.  Angels have a legit shot of him returning.  
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Jeff Fletcher in Ohtani +1500 to return to Angels   
    This is what I tell everyone. 
     
    There are really 3 factors that determine where a FA plays: winning, comfort and money. I think everyone agrees that money is no 3 for Ohtani. 
     
    If winning is No 1, it’s the Dodgers. If comfort is No 1, it’s the Angels. Difficult to see how another team could trump the Angels or Dodgers in those categories. 
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Vegas Halo Fan in The best news for the Angels is...the Texas Rangers   
    I would be far more encouraged by this argument if this weren't an organization with a history of throwing big money at declining stars, ignoring the farm system and doing everything on the cheap. The chief difference is that the Rangers are well run, something that no one would accuse the Angels of. They also have an excellent farm system, which has yielded important pieces of the team.
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Stradling in How the Rangers fell apart   
    Hahahahahaha.
    What a fucking idiot!
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Ron Mexico in Angels Managerial Search Thread   
    It's a damn fucken shame that Arte keeps getting involved.  We will never ever get anyone respectable running the Angels as long as Arte owns the team
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Justin in The Athletic: How did Angels squander Trout & Ohtani? It starts with the owner’s frugality   
    Too long; didn't read? 
    Let me paste the most important 8 words: 
    "Player development is the lifeblood of any franchise"
     
     
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to AngelStew43 in The Athletic: How did Angels squander Trout & Ohtani? It starts with the owner’s frugality   
    So, our owner has turned into Jackie Autry.  Even the cheap beer has essentially disappeared.  
    Mr. Moreno, if you're going to run the Angels that way, please take the 2.3 billion dollars, or whatever it was that you were offered, and move on.  
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Tank in The Athletic: How did Angels squander Trout & Ohtani? It starts with the owner’s frugality   
    every year i'm hopeful that the team will turn the corner and get back to being a winning, championship caliber team. the revelations that have come out over the course of this year no longer inspire me to feel that way.
    significant changes need to be in approach and front office personnel, including ownership. until that happens, we're in for a long, dark night.
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to Mark68 in Just sell the goddamn team, Arte.   
    You couldn't have fucked up the organization any more if you had tried.
     
    Are you really a Dodger fan who always intended to make this organization a laughingstock? If so, mission accomplished. 
     
    Sell the fucking team. We don't want you here any more. 
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    Frieri Meatball reacted to HeavenlyHalos in Ohtani has cleared out his locker   
    The fact that they won't even give an update until tomorrow is such a bullshit Angels thing to do. They obviously know, yet are making the fanbase wait around. This team is such a massive shit show. My only hope is that all of this convinces Arte to sell this offseason. This is the saddest day of a very sad season. 
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