BritAngel

Ohtani is slap bang in his prime; Trout is approaching the end of his and may already be declining, our elite 3rd baseman Rendon will be 32 next year. We have the outfield we've been talking about for years in Adell, Trout and Marsh, and an infield set on both sides of the ball aside from Short-stop (where we have promising youngsters only a season or two away).
We finally have a conveyor belt of promising pitching coming up from the minors, with three (or four if you include Canning) ready for the rotation to add to Ohtani's ace-like arm, and some interesting guys for the bullpen.
Surely now, this off-season, is the time to go all-in. To use some of the farm depth we've built up for trades and to blow the budget open for a year until Upton is off the books to put the pieces around Trout, Ohtani and a very good supporting cast that are needed to make the Angels genuine contenders.
I can't see how the window will be any more open in 2023 than it is for 2022: the time is now. 
 

It just gets back to the fact that almost his entire offensive profile is still contingent on if his singles fall into play. Without walking or hitting for any power, he's going to be as good as his BABip is. Which could be fantastic, or could be mediocre. He doesn't strike out enough to ever really be truly awful. 
I'm not really too worried about it. When your entire offensive profile relies essentially on singles falling it, it is going to be prone to some bad (or good) luck and flukiness, and we're in the downside of that right now, and I also think some of this is just conditional due to the team's struggles and falling from contention, lack of other offensive presence in the line-up, etc. He'll be fine. I'm not 100% sure I want to see him as the everyday lead-off hitter though. Put him there when everything's clicking or when he starts walking more.

But my point is that many of the guys the Padres traded will never sniff the big leagues, or will flame out early on. Consequently, the team control is to some degree merely theoretical. 
But the Padres got players whom they know, for certain (barring injury), will in fact play in the big leagues. So the team control is actual and less subject to risk. 

And during those 9 years both teams won zero playoff games, except the difference is the Padres are a good team now and actually appear to have a future whereas we’re still stuck in no man’s land…

Love the optimism.
Agree, but only if it can stay on the field. I've seen nothing this year to make me believe next year will be any different.
I think we need a TOR pitcher. Ohtani has the stuff but he isn't going to give you 200+ innings. The rotation needs that to take pressure off an often overworked bullpen.
We need to rebuild the bullpen. Our only high quality reliable arm is a FA and most of the others are either FA's or are just a bit rubbish.
Agreed. This will be essential as they will make up most of the 26 next year.
You're a funny guy. This is the Angels, we break players so much it's pretty much in our franchise DNA. We need quality depth.
Maybe a wild card if lots of things go right.

“He is not going on the IL.”
Oh if we only had a dollar for every time we’ve heard that lulu this season.  No disrespect to you Jeff.  We’ve just heard that before for Maddon.

First month of the season , when they were being embarrassed by divisional rivals. For the Angels to ever make the playoffs, they have to play no worse than .500 ball against teams in their division.

The cynic in me would agree with AO but probably on the 16th June having been swept by the A's and the realisation that you are not going anywhere when you cannot get anything against your divisional rivals. (13-29 so far I think against Asstros,A's and M's)
Would be an interesting question for Joe madden based on some of his bizarre line up choices and pitching changes.

The cynic in me would agree with AO but probably on the 16th June having been swept by the A's and the realisation that you are not going anywhere when you cannot get anything against your divisional rivals. (13-29 so far I think against Asstros,A's and M's)
Would be an interesting question for Joe madden based on some of his bizarre line up choices and pitching changes.

Suarez, even with the CG against Texas and including his 5.1 IP, 1 ER 'relief' start after Bundy in New York, still has an ERA around 4.50 as a starter this year. I'm not quite ready to see him as a #3...that's more like #4-#5 production. Yes, I know some of it because our pen sucks and they've allowed inherited runners to score, but he hasn't quite ascended yet. I think he will. 
Ohtani is a true #1 in a playoff series, but I agree that his usage somewhat caps him during the season. Sandoval is the only one I really have any confidence in going into next year to be at least a #3 or better, but there's risk there too. Can't say the same about Rodriguez, Detmers, Canning, or Barria. We're still very thin right in the middle of the rotation, IMO. A lot of guys have mid-rotation ceilings and could get there fast, like Sandoval this season, but banking on it for 2022 is ambitious still. 
I think they should sign one of the better SP targets this year - Gausman will be too expensive, Toronto won't let Ray go easily...Stroman I think makes the most sense purely because he seems like he'd want to be here - and then yes, another one-year vet. We might be fortunate in that Cobb's injuries could lower his demand and allow him back on like a 1/$8m. Hold off any trades for frontline arms for now and keep Adell and Marsh in the fold and see how it all plays out.

Mayfield is like a poor man's Brian Goodwin.

I believe Arte cares about winning.  He just doesn't know how to build a winner.  Calling him a "penny-pincher" is ludicrous. He spends plenty... he just doesn't spend wisely.

Hope you were watching last night Arte
thats what you get with a TOR starter rather than splashing on a 3rd baseman made of glass
 

Good teams have good depth....it's lost on many here. I don't care if Canning, Adell, Marsh, Rengifo, Warren, Wantz all start the year in AAA next year. It means presumably someone better is ahead of them, and if not, as long as the org has a short leash on those ahead of them (which they usually have had in recent years), it won't be a bad thing to have those guys be your options to call up instead of 4A filler or DFAs. 
Let's not Jefry Marte ourselves here. Jack Mayfield is fine for team depth and at best, could be a good UT IF.
 

Maddon went through 6 pitchers again like this was a scheduled bullpen game. He pulled Barria after 54 pitches. You have to wonder, why?
The bullpen is short on quality arms and this is not a pennant race. So why pull your starter in the top of the fourth in a one run tie game, one out and a chance to get the double play to end the inning? 
I hope he voluntarily retires at the end of the season because his decision making, from lineup card to rotation and bullpen management has been awful. 

This whole organization needs to be stripped clean, from Dennis Kuhl and Carpino all the way down to scouting and player development, and start over. Get rid of this loser mentality. 

The whole staff should hang their head in shame they have taken embarrassing to a new level.
This season's been a complete disaster even by halos standards.

Maddon's impact on every game pales in comparison to Minasian's impact with his roster construction. 
And I am not fully accepting it's Arte's fault for not opening the pocket book.  The Giants had a worse group of players as a base at the beginning of the off season and their GM constructed a roster that wins games without having to spend lots of money.   The A's continue to do build successful teams without lots of money.  Dipoto built a better team in Seattle in less time than Eppler/Minasian have.  Tampa Bay doesn't seem to need much money in order to compete in the AL East.
Maddon is a symptom, not the problem.

Got me wondering what ohtani maybe thinking about any possible extension offer when all he can see picking up in the near future is the AL west wooden spoon.
The A and the Astros are light years ahead and the Mariners setup for a possible purple patch, some improvement from the Texas and that will be where we are at. Why would a guy as good as ohtani what to hang around any longer than  he has to.
Grim times....

Anyone who thinks our rotation for next season can be sorted from within and without spending on a couple of new starters is seriously deluded. This series and the Detroit one has proved that.

Anyone who thinks our rotation for next season can be sorted from within and without spending on a couple of new starters is seriously deluded. This series and the Detroit one has proved that.

The more I think about it, the more I realize just how crucial it is that Brandon Marsh and Jo Adell get playing time to run out the year. 
If we have offensive question marks, those guys could be the answer. 
If we need more pitching, one of those guys could help us get the answer. 
And it all starts there. How they perform dictates where we spend money, where we trade for help, etc. It could be the difference in going after a high-dollar SS or more intermediary offensive help in the form of Mark Canha, Chris Taylor, Eduardo Escobar, Eddie Rosario, Joc Pederson. 
It could be the difference in trading for someone like Luis Castillo or Max Meyer or counting on free agency options. 

I absolutely offer him a QO at this point. Gives us a bit of a consolation for not trading him if someone else signs him, and $18m+ for one year isn’t much worse than what we’d be paying him market value. Also might depress his market a bit and make it easier to re-sign.

Good call but likely to be expensive after this season's exploits

What's the money problem??
Arte has billions, he can cough up some bucks to add to the pot.
But you know, if Ohtani wants to leave and go to a contender, then best of luck to him. I'm already at peace with the possibility we may never again make the playoffs in my lifetime.