Hubs

You’re probably set at all three OF positions, one MINF position, 1B, 3B, DH,  and C. 

I’d bring up Stefanic to see if he can hit like this in the majors 
If he can and he can defend, he could be part of a homegrown middle infield.
There are also a lot of SS on the free agent market in all budget ranges.
They have a lot of young exciting pitching in the pen, but you need veteran leadership in the rotation. Heaney is gone, Bundy has been much more like Baltimore Bundy than 2020 Bundy. Quintana is terrible. Cobb has been ok but hurt. So new veteran leadership needed. Stroman or Scherzer would be my picks and maybe a guy in the Cobb or Jon Gray or Danny Duffy mold. You also need veteran leadership in the pen and you have that if you resign Iglesias. I’d also grab one more veteran arm.

You’re probably set at all three OF positions, one MINF position, 1B, 3B, DH,  and C. 

I’d bring up Stefanic to see if he can hit like this in the majors 
If he can and he can defend, he could be part of a homegrown middle infield.
There are also a lot of SS on the free agent market in all budget ranges.
They have a lot of young exciting pitching in the pen, but you need veteran leadership in the rotation. Heaney is gone, Bundy has been much more like Baltimore Bundy than 2020 Bundy. Quintana is terrible. Cobb has been ok but hurt. So new veteran leadership needed. Stroman or Scherzer would be my picks and maybe a guy in the Cobb or Jon Gray or Danny Duffy mold. You also need veteran leadership in the pen and you have that if you resign Iglesias. I’d also grab one more veteran arm.

I wonder how 22 Will shake out. 21, you’re coming off a pandemic shortened season. Your lineup has several veterans and holes and stuff and you fill them on the cheap. 
 
You don’t know what Ohtani will look like as a pitcher or a hitter.What is the rotation like? Who plays RF? Can Walsh and Bundy play a full season the way they did in the partial seasons? What happens at SS? What’s the reconstructed pen gonna look like?
 
They answered some of these but they didn’t answer them all and they still have some other questions. 
 
Gotta let Thaiss catch some major league games this season. The fact that he’s doing it successfully in AAA is nice, but can he handle a major league staff? If he can you have your catching duo for 2022 and 2023 Probably. Considering they’ve added a catcher in the off-season for most of the past 10 seasons, would be nice to figure this out internally for once.
2021 SuzukI, 2020 Castro 2019 Lucroy and Stassi 2018 Maldonado 2017 Maldonado 2016 Soto 2015 Iannetta. No other position has had that kind of turnover. We’ve had a lot of 2B between Kendrick and Fletcher and 3rd was a black hole between Glaus and Rendon.
But C has been as volatile.

No I didn’t lol

Someone didn't read the thread.

There’s enough room for 4 OF due to probably injury risk, a few DH starts and the kids not needing to start every game to be effective.

There’s enough room for 4 OF due to probably injury risk, a few DH starts and the kids not needing to start every game to be effective.

There’s enough room for 4 OF due to probably injury risk, a few DH starts and the kids not needing to start every game to be effective.

The Angels have a 182 M real payroll this year. In 2022 they have a 111 committed to Trout, Rendon, Upton, Ohtani and Fletcher.
Jaime Barria and Griffin Cannkng might be Arb 1 eligible. Mike Mayers Is Arb 2 if they keep him, max Stassous is Arb 3, so he’ll get a small raise, and Junior Guerra is Arb 4 if they keep him. They do not have a large arbitration class. I’d bet they can keep this entire class if they so choose for under 9M.
plus the club control guys (Walsh, Adell, Marsh, Rojas, and a lot of their rotation and pen) and so maybe they top at 125 before FA.
Ohtani and Stassi do not need to be extended. Stassi May be, but he’s under control and you can go to free agency with him in 2023 if you desire. Maybe you give him a three year deal at like 18M, so it would be 4/6/8. 

Ohtani will cost more but not until 2023 when he’s in his final year of arbitration and Upton is off books. You know they planned to have Upton off when Ohtani was going to get paid.
You still have 57 M before you reach the 182 Payroll after all of this. Maybe close to $60.
Depending on what you do in the rotation -and pen you’ll still have $20-$30 to spend on the line up. So you can go get a premier SS if you feel thats necessary. Or a #1 starter type and a budget SS. But you’ll have easily enough money to do what I suggested above, even if you know the payroll May break through the tax in 2024-2026, if you keep bringing back guys liek Walsh and your homegrown pitchers.

The latter would be ok, if he also had 30 SB in 36 games.
I hope he has a good career, I do. But I don't see him in the majors until 2024.

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I guess I'm missing something, too, Hubs, because I see that he's hit .208/.283/.311 since he returned...If you just look at July, it's a little better, but still nothing special: .239/.316/.420.

So I'm firmly in the win now mode. Without Trout, the Angels have stayed close enough. Hopefully he's back by August 15th and healthy. Hopefully Rendon is back a week earlier and hopefully they call up Thaiss to replace Suzuki or just add to the bench depth and carry three catchers. They also could promote Adell and basically platoon Upton/Adell/Marsh in the corners when Trout comes back.
They can go with one less reliever. I don't understand with a 6 man rotation why they need 8 relievers too. Honestly if Bundy and Quintana aren't in the rotation and effective they need to be traded cut or put on the IL. If they can add a reliever or two, this would drastically help. The other 6 have their ups and downs, but only  Iglesias has been solid. Wantz and Watson are ok. Cishek and Mayers have disappointed at times but then go through great stretches. Guerra is basically useless. They need 1-2 new guys.
And I keep hearing the "beat up on bad teams" lose to good teams thing, and it's true technically, but important to examine a bit deeper than that.
Angels are
3-0 against Baltimore. 3-0 against Arizona. 1-0 Against Colorado, 3-1 Against the Tigers, 4-2 Against KC and 5-2 against the Twins.
That's 19-5 against the bottom of the league...it's true. Add 5-3 against the Rangers and you get to the 24-8 mark.
But they're also
2-1 Against the Yankees, 3-1 Against the White Sox, 2-1 Against the Dodgers, 2-1 Against the Blue Jays and 3-3 Against the Red Sox. That's 12-7 against some good teams with winning records.
So that would put them at 36-15 against everyone but the Giants, Cleveland, A's, Rays, Mariners and Astros.
Winning records against most of the teams they've played (12 of the 18). They haven't played SD yet which is the only team they play this year that they haven't faced.
Against the Giants they're 1-3. Bundy started the first game in SF and did poorly and the offense didn't help, but they dominated the next game behind an excellent start from Heaney. Then at Home they got jumped on early in another Heaney start, and shut down by the Giants pitcher. Then given the opportunity to even the series, they went into extras tied 1-1, and the 12th both teams scored, and the Angels appeared to win the game and then replay overturned it, and the Giants scored 6 runs to win the game in the 13th.
So 1-3 against the Giants. No more games against the Giants remain.
And in the Cleveland series, they won the first one, and then lost the next two by a run, so the games were all close.
1-2 Against Clevaland.
So against 14 of 18 teams they've gone 38-20. Or 1 game under .667 ball.
They've been really bad against the other 4 teams. 1-6 against the Rays 3-9 against the A's, 3-6 against Houston, and 5-8 against the Mariners.
That's 12-29. That's .293 ball.
They don't play the Rays again. But Quintana sucked in game 1.  Rowan, Guerra and Mayers all spoiled decent starts in games 2, 3 and 4. Canning pitched ok in Game 5 and Suarez gave up the run to tie, then Cobb had a terrible start and Quintana, Quijada, and Guerra were terrible in relief, giving up 13 runs in their 6th loss before finally winning the 7th game.
They've gone 11-23 against the teams in their division with winning records.
Of the 23 losses, they've been against both starters and relievers. They got off to a horrible start playing Houston 9 times in their first 39 games and getting outscored 59-24. They lost 2 of 3 to Seattle in that stretch as well, but scored and allowed 14 runs.
Since that miserable 4-8 intradivision start they've lost Mike Trout for 60 odd games, and gone 3-9 against Oakland and 4-6 against Seattle. Trout has not faced Oakland this year. Trout in his career against Oakland has a .968 OPS WITH 38 HR. Against the Mariners, he has a 1.068 OPS with 47 HR. 7-15 against the AL West division (minus Texas), without Trout.
They've been outscored by the A's 57-36. Of those 57 runs, 31 were allowed by the bullpen, and an additional 9 runs were charged to the starters but were inherited runners allowed to score by our terrible pen.
Seattle's numbers aren't as bad. We've actually outscored them 64-63 despite the record. 24 runs have been scored by the Mariners against the Angels pen, 39 against the starters, so it's been pretty even despite the record.
They have 23 games remaining against the Astros (10), A's (7) and Mariners (6). If the Angels have any chance of making the postseason, they have to win at least 6, 5 and 4 of these. That would be 15-8 to go 9-10, 8-11, and 9-10. They'd finish with a losing record against these three teams, but a much closer one.
It does help that 7 of the 10, 7 of the 7 and 3 of the 6 are at home, 17 of 23. Win 3-1, 2-1, 2-1, 3-1, 2-1, at home and hope to go 3-3 in the two road series and it's a done deal 15-8.
Their other 40 games are against the Rockies (2 at home) Rangers (11, 4 at home), Dodgers (3 on road), Toronto (4 at home), Yankees (4, 1 on road, 3 at home), Detroit (3 on road), Cleveland (3 on road), Baltimore (3 on Road), SD (4, 2 at home 2 away), and the White Sox (3 on road).
If they can win these next two against the Rockies, go 8-3 against the Rangers (4-0 at home, 4-3 on road), 2-1 against Dodgers, 3-1 against both Blue Jays and Yankees, Then win 6 of the 9 games against Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore, split with SD and take the White Sox Series in September, they'd end up 28-12 in this group. Add that to the 15-8 and they'd finish at 43-20, And with 93 wins.
Even if they don't manage that pace, which would be a heck of a run, they can still get to the post season with say 39-24 or 37-26 if they win against their division and the Yankees, Bue Jays and Indians.
Finally, I'd say they need some help to do this, mainly bullpen, but also maybe a starter.
It's a long shot, obviously, but not out of the realm of possibility.
 

So I'm firmly in the win now mode. Without Trout, the Angels have stayed close enough. Hopefully he's back by August 15th and healthy. Hopefully Rendon is back a week earlier and hopefully they call up Thaiss to replace Suzuki or just add to the bench depth and carry three catchers. They also could promote Adell and basically platoon Upton/Adell/Marsh in the corners when Trout comes back.
They can go with one less reliever. I don't understand with a 6 man rotation why they need 8 relievers too. Honestly if Bundy and Quintana aren't in the rotation and effective they need to be traded cut or put on the IL. If they can add a reliever or two, this would drastically help. The other 6 have their ups and downs, but only  Iglesias has been solid. Wantz and Watson are ok. Cishek and Mayers have disappointed at times but then go through great stretches. Guerra is basically useless. They need 1-2 new guys.
And I keep hearing the "beat up on bad teams" lose to good teams thing, and it's true technically, but important to examine a bit deeper than that.
Angels are
3-0 against Baltimore. 3-0 against Arizona. 1-0 Against Colorado, 3-1 Against the Tigers, 4-2 Against KC and 5-2 against the Twins.
That's 19-5 against the bottom of the league...it's true. Add 5-3 against the Rangers and you get to the 24-8 mark.
But they're also
2-1 Against the Yankees, 3-1 Against the White Sox, 2-1 Against the Dodgers, 2-1 Against the Blue Jays and 3-3 Against the Red Sox. That's 12-7 against some good teams with winning records.
So that would put them at 36-15 against everyone but the Giants, Cleveland, A's, Rays, Mariners and Astros.
Winning records against most of the teams they've played (12 of the 18). They haven't played SD yet which is the only team they play this year that they haven't faced.
Against the Giants they're 1-3. Bundy started the first game in SF and did poorly and the offense didn't help, but they dominated the next game behind an excellent start from Heaney. Then at Home they got jumped on early in another Heaney start, and shut down by the Giants pitcher. Then given the opportunity to even the series, they went into extras tied 1-1, and the 12th both teams scored, and the Angels appeared to win the game and then replay overturned it, and the Giants scored 6 runs to win the game in the 13th.
So 1-3 against the Giants. No more games against the Giants remain.
And in the Cleveland series, they won the first one, and then lost the next two by a run, so the games were all close.
1-2 Against Clevaland.
So against 14 of 18 teams they've gone 38-20. Or 1 game under .667 ball.
They've been really bad against the other 4 teams. 1-6 against the Rays 3-9 against the A's, 3-6 against Houston, and 5-8 against the Mariners.
That's 12-29. That's .293 ball.
They don't play the Rays again. But Quintana sucked in game 1.  Rowan, Guerra and Mayers all spoiled decent starts in games 2, 3 and 4. Canning pitched ok in Game 5 and Suarez gave up the run to tie, then Cobb had a terrible start and Quintana, Quijada, and Guerra were terrible in relief, giving up 13 runs in their 6th loss before finally winning the 7th game.
They've gone 11-23 against the teams in their division with winning records.
Of the 23 losses, they've been against both starters and relievers. They got off to a horrible start playing Houston 9 times in their first 39 games and getting outscored 59-24. They lost 2 of 3 to Seattle in that stretch as well, but scored and allowed 14 runs.
Since that miserable 4-8 intradivision start they've lost Mike Trout for 60 odd games, and gone 3-9 against Oakland and 4-6 against Seattle. Trout has not faced Oakland this year. Trout in his career against Oakland has a .968 OPS WITH 38 HR. Against the Mariners, he has a 1.068 OPS with 47 HR. 7-15 against the AL West division (minus Texas), without Trout.
They've been outscored by the A's 57-36. Of those 57 runs, 31 were allowed by the bullpen, and an additional 9 runs were charged to the starters but were inherited runners allowed to score by our terrible pen.
Seattle's numbers aren't as bad. We've actually outscored them 64-63 despite the record. 24 runs have been scored by the Mariners against the Angels pen, 39 against the starters, so it's been pretty even despite the record.
They have 23 games remaining against the Astros (10), A's (7) and Mariners (6). If the Angels have any chance of making the postseason, they have to win at least 6, 5 and 4 of these. That would be 15-8 to go 9-10, 8-11, and 9-10. They'd finish with a losing record against these three teams, but a much closer one.
It does help that 7 of the 10, 7 of the 7 and 3 of the 6 are at home, 17 of 23. Win 3-1, 2-1, 2-1, 3-1, 2-1, at home and hope to go 3-3 in the two road series and it's a done deal 15-8.
Their other 40 games are against the Rockies (2 at home) Rangers (11, 4 at home), Dodgers (3 on road), Toronto (4 at home), Yankees (4, 1 on road, 3 at home), Detroit (3 on road), Cleveland (3 on road), Baltimore (3 on Road), SD (4, 2 at home 2 away), and the White Sox (3 on road).
If they can win these next two against the Rockies, go 8-3 against the Rangers (4-0 at home, 4-3 on road), 2-1 against Dodgers, 3-1 against both Blue Jays and Yankees, Then win 6 of the 9 games against Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore, split with SD and take the White Sox Series in September, they'd end up 28-12 in this group. Add that to the 15-8 and they'd finish at 43-20, And with 93 wins.
Even if they don't manage that pace, which would be a heck of a run, they can still get to the post season with say 39-24 or 37-26 if they win against their division and the Yankees, Bue Jays and Indians.
Finally, I'd say they need some help to do this, mainly bullpen, but also maybe a starter.
It's a long shot, obviously, but not out of the realm of possibility.
 

Yeah I mean I know it was very optimistic. But even say 40-23 (which is a 103 win pace) might get them in the playoffs. The key is the 15-8 or say 14-9 against the division (minus Texas). They have to start beating those three teams or the rest is moot.
if they went 40-0 against the other teams and 0-23 against the Astros, Mariners and A’s they still likely wouldn’t make the playoffs with the 90 wins as they would if they can somehow even up the season series’s with these three. 
And for the record, they’re 26-14 in their last 40 games in which they didn’t play the A’s and that’s at that pace. Lol. 😂 

Yeah I mean I know it was very optimistic. But even say 40-23 (which is a 103 win pace) might get them in the playoffs. The key is the 15-8 or say 14-9 against the division (minus Texas). They have to start beating those three teams or the rest is moot.
if they went 40-0 against the other teams and 0-23 against the Astros, Mariners and A’s they still likely wouldn’t make the playoffs with the 90 wins as they would if they can somehow even up the season series’s with these three. 
And for the record, they’re 26-14 in their last 40 games in which they didn’t play the A’s and that’s at that pace. Lol. 😂 

So I'm firmly in the win now mode. Without Trout, the Angels have stayed close enough. Hopefully he's back by August 15th and healthy. Hopefully Rendon is back a week earlier and hopefully they call up Thaiss to replace Suzuki or just add to the bench depth and carry three catchers. They also could promote Adell and basically platoon Upton/Adell/Marsh in the corners when Trout comes back.
They can go with one less reliever. I don't understand with a 6 man rotation why they need 8 relievers too. Honestly if Bundy and Quintana aren't in the rotation and effective they need to be traded cut or put on the IL. If they can add a reliever or two, this would drastically help. The other 6 have their ups and downs, but only  Iglesias has been solid. Wantz and Watson are ok. Cishek and Mayers have disappointed at times but then go through great stretches. Guerra is basically useless. They need 1-2 new guys.
And I keep hearing the "beat up on bad teams" lose to good teams thing, and it's true technically, but important to examine a bit deeper than that.
Angels are
3-0 against Baltimore. 3-0 against Arizona. 1-0 Against Colorado, 3-1 Against the Tigers, 4-2 Against KC and 5-2 against the Twins.
That's 19-5 against the bottom of the league...it's true. Add 5-3 against the Rangers and you get to the 24-8 mark.
But they're also
2-1 Against the Yankees, 3-1 Against the White Sox, 2-1 Against the Dodgers, 2-1 Against the Blue Jays and 3-3 Against the Red Sox. That's 12-7 against some good teams with winning records.
So that would put them at 36-15 against everyone but the Giants, Cleveland, A's, Rays, Mariners and Astros.
Winning records against most of the teams they've played (12 of the 18). They haven't played SD yet which is the only team they play this year that they haven't faced.
Against the Giants they're 1-3. Bundy started the first game in SF and did poorly and the offense didn't help, but they dominated the next game behind an excellent start from Heaney. Then at Home they got jumped on early in another Heaney start, and shut down by the Giants pitcher. Then given the opportunity to even the series, they went into extras tied 1-1, and the 12th both teams scored, and the Angels appeared to win the game and then replay overturned it, and the Giants scored 6 runs to win the game in the 13th.
So 1-3 against the Giants. No more games against the Giants remain.
And in the Cleveland series, they won the first one, and then lost the next two by a run, so the games were all close.
1-2 Against Clevaland.
So against 14 of 18 teams they've gone 38-20. Or 1 game under .667 ball.
They've been really bad against the other 4 teams. 1-6 against the Rays 3-9 against the A's, 3-6 against Houston, and 5-8 against the Mariners.
That's 12-29. That's .293 ball.
They don't play the Rays again. But Quintana sucked in game 1.  Rowan, Guerra and Mayers all spoiled decent starts in games 2, 3 and 4. Canning pitched ok in Game 5 and Suarez gave up the run to tie, then Cobb had a terrible start and Quintana, Quijada, and Guerra were terrible in relief, giving up 13 runs in their 6th loss before finally winning the 7th game.
They've gone 11-23 against the teams in their division with winning records.
Of the 23 losses, they've been against both starters and relievers. They got off to a horrible start playing Houston 9 times in their first 39 games and getting outscored 59-24. They lost 2 of 3 to Seattle in that stretch as well, but scored and allowed 14 runs.
Since that miserable 4-8 intradivision start they've lost Mike Trout for 60 odd games, and gone 3-9 against Oakland and 4-6 against Seattle. Trout has not faced Oakland this year. Trout in his career against Oakland has a .968 OPS WITH 38 HR. Against the Mariners, he has a 1.068 OPS with 47 HR. 7-15 against the AL West division (minus Texas), without Trout.
They've been outscored by the A's 57-36. Of those 57 runs, 31 were allowed by the bullpen, and an additional 9 runs were charged to the starters but were inherited runners allowed to score by our terrible pen.
Seattle's numbers aren't as bad. We've actually outscored them 64-63 despite the record. 24 runs have been scored by the Mariners against the Angels pen, 39 against the starters, so it's been pretty even despite the record.
They have 23 games remaining against the Astros (10), A's (7) and Mariners (6). If the Angels have any chance of making the postseason, they have to win at least 6, 5 and 4 of these. That would be 15-8 to go 9-10, 8-11, and 9-10. They'd finish with a losing record against these three teams, but a much closer one.
It does help that 7 of the 10, 7 of the 7 and 3 of the 6 are at home, 17 of 23. Win 3-1, 2-1, 2-1, 3-1, 2-1, at home and hope to go 3-3 in the two road series and it's a done deal 15-8.
Their other 40 games are against the Rockies (2 at home) Rangers (11, 4 at home), Dodgers (3 on road), Toronto (4 at home), Yankees (4, 1 on road, 3 at home), Detroit (3 on road), Cleveland (3 on road), Baltimore (3 on Road), SD (4, 2 at home 2 away), and the White Sox (3 on road).
If they can win these next two against the Rockies, go 8-3 against the Rangers (4-0 at home, 4-3 on road), 2-1 against Dodgers, 3-1 against both Blue Jays and Yankees, Then win 6 of the 9 games against Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore, split with SD and take the White Sox Series in September, they'd end up 28-12 in this group. Add that to the 15-8 and they'd finish at 43-20, And with 93 wins.
Even if they don't manage that pace, which would be a heck of a run, they can still get to the post season with say 39-24 or 37-26 if they win against their division and the Yankees, Bue Jays and Indians.
Finally, I'd say they need some help to do this, mainly bullpen, but also maybe a starter.
It's a long shot, obviously, but not out of the realm of possibility.
 

This is also not true. They’re really really bad against three teams and have been really good against the others. They’re 1-6 against the Rays and 3-6 against the Astros and 3-9 against the A’s. That’s a 7-21 record.
They’re 15 games over against everyone else including Dodgers, Blue Jays, White Sox, and yes against all the bad teams. 

This is also not true. They’re really really bad against three teams and have been really good against the others. They’re 1-6 against the Rays and 3-6 against the Astros and 3-9 against the A’s. That’s a 7-21 record.
They’re 15 games over against everyone else including Dodgers, Blue Jays, White Sox, and yes against all the bad teams. 

So I'm firmly in the win now mode. Without Trout, the Angels have stayed close enough. Hopefully he's back by August 15th and healthy. Hopefully Rendon is back a week earlier and hopefully they call up Thaiss to replace Suzuki or just add to the bench depth and carry three catchers. They also could promote Adell and basically platoon Upton/Adell/Marsh in the corners when Trout comes back.
They can go with one less reliever. I don't understand with a 6 man rotation why they need 8 relievers too. Honestly if Bundy and Quintana aren't in the rotation and effective they need to be traded cut or put on the IL. If they can add a reliever or two, this would drastically help. The other 6 have their ups and downs, but only  Iglesias has been solid. Wantz and Watson are ok. Cishek and Mayers have disappointed at times but then go through great stretches. Guerra is basically useless. They need 1-2 new guys.
And I keep hearing the "beat up on bad teams" lose to good teams thing, and it's true technically, but important to examine a bit deeper than that.
Angels are
3-0 against Baltimore. 3-0 against Arizona. 1-0 Against Colorado, 3-1 Against the Tigers, 4-2 Against KC and 5-2 against the Twins.
That's 19-5 against the bottom of the league...it's true. Add 5-3 against the Rangers and you get to the 24-8 mark.
But they're also
2-1 Against the Yankees, 3-1 Against the White Sox, 2-1 Against the Dodgers, 2-1 Against the Blue Jays and 3-3 Against the Red Sox. That's 12-7 against some good teams with winning records.
So that would put them at 36-15 against everyone but the Giants, Cleveland, A's, Rays, Mariners and Astros.
Winning records against most of the teams they've played (12 of the 18). They haven't played SD yet which is the only team they play this year that they haven't faced.
Against the Giants they're 1-3. Bundy started the first game in SF and did poorly and the offense didn't help, but they dominated the next game behind an excellent start from Heaney. Then at Home they got jumped on early in another Heaney start, and shut down by the Giants pitcher. Then given the opportunity to even the series, they went into extras tied 1-1, and the 12th both teams scored, and the Angels appeared to win the game and then replay overturned it, and the Giants scored 6 runs to win the game in the 13th.
So 1-3 against the Giants. No more games against the Giants remain.
And in the Cleveland series, they won the first one, and then lost the next two by a run, so the games were all close.
1-2 Against Clevaland.
So against 14 of 18 teams they've gone 38-20. Or 1 game under .667 ball.
They've been really bad against the other 4 teams. 1-6 against the Rays 3-9 against the A's, 3-6 against Houston, and 5-8 against the Mariners.
That's 12-29. That's .293 ball.
They don't play the Rays again. But Quintana sucked in game 1.  Rowan, Guerra and Mayers all spoiled decent starts in games 2, 3 and 4. Canning pitched ok in Game 5 and Suarez gave up the run to tie, then Cobb had a terrible start and Quintana, Quijada, and Guerra were terrible in relief, giving up 13 runs in their 6th loss before finally winning the 7th game.
They've gone 11-23 against the teams in their division with winning records.
Of the 23 losses, they've been against both starters and relievers. They got off to a horrible start playing Houston 9 times in their first 39 games and getting outscored 59-24. They lost 2 of 3 to Seattle in that stretch as well, but scored and allowed 14 runs.
Since that miserable 4-8 intradivision start they've lost Mike Trout for 60 odd games, and gone 3-9 against Oakland and 4-6 against Seattle. Trout has not faced Oakland this year. Trout in his career against Oakland has a .968 OPS WITH 38 HR. Against the Mariners, he has a 1.068 OPS with 47 HR. 7-15 against the AL West division (minus Texas), without Trout.
They've been outscored by the A's 57-36. Of those 57 runs, 31 were allowed by the bullpen, and an additional 9 runs were charged to the starters but were inherited runners allowed to score by our terrible pen.
Seattle's numbers aren't as bad. We've actually outscored them 64-63 despite the record. 24 runs have been scored by the Mariners against the Angels pen, 39 against the starters, so it's been pretty even despite the record.
They have 23 games remaining against the Astros (10), A's (7) and Mariners (6). If the Angels have any chance of making the postseason, they have to win at least 6, 5 and 4 of these. That would be 15-8 to go 9-10, 8-11, and 9-10. They'd finish with a losing record against these three teams, but a much closer one.
It does help that 7 of the 10, 7 of the 7 and 3 of the 6 are at home, 17 of 23. Win 3-1, 2-1, 2-1, 3-1, 2-1, at home and hope to go 3-3 in the two road series and it's a done deal 15-8.
Their other 40 games are against the Rockies (2 at home) Rangers (11, 4 at home), Dodgers (3 on road), Toronto (4 at home), Yankees (4, 1 on road, 3 at home), Detroit (3 on road), Cleveland (3 on road), Baltimore (3 on Road), SD (4, 2 at home 2 away), and the White Sox (3 on road).
If they can win these next two against the Rockies, go 8-3 against the Rangers (4-0 at home, 4-3 on road), 2-1 against Dodgers, 3-1 against both Blue Jays and Yankees, Then win 6 of the 9 games against Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore, split with SD and take the White Sox Series in September, they'd end up 28-12 in this group. Add that to the 15-8 and they'd finish at 43-20, And with 93 wins.
Even if they don't manage that pace, which would be a heck of a run, they can still get to the post season with say 39-24 or 37-26 if they win against their division and the Yankees, Bue Jays and Indians.
Finally, I'd say they need some help to do this, mainly bullpen, but also maybe a starter.
It's a long shot, obviously, but not out of the realm of possibility.
 

So I'm firmly in the win now mode. Without Trout, the Angels have stayed close enough. Hopefully he's back by August 15th and healthy. Hopefully Rendon is back a week earlier and hopefully they call up Thaiss to replace Suzuki or just add to the bench depth and carry three catchers. They also could promote Adell and basically platoon Upton/Adell/Marsh in the corners when Trout comes back.
They can go with one less reliever. I don't understand with a 6 man rotation why they need 8 relievers too. Honestly if Bundy and Quintana aren't in the rotation and effective they need to be traded cut or put on the IL. If they can add a reliever or two, this would drastically help. The other 6 have their ups and downs, but only  Iglesias has been solid. Wantz and Watson are ok. Cishek and Mayers have disappointed at times but then go through great stretches. Guerra is basically useless. They need 1-2 new guys.
And I keep hearing the "beat up on bad teams" lose to good teams thing, and it's true technically, but important to examine a bit deeper than that.
Angels are
3-0 against Baltimore. 3-0 against Arizona. 1-0 Against Colorado, 3-1 Against the Tigers, 4-2 Against KC and 5-2 against the Twins.
That's 19-5 against the bottom of the league...it's true. Add 5-3 against the Rangers and you get to the 24-8 mark.
But they're also
2-1 Against the Yankees, 3-1 Against the White Sox, 2-1 Against the Dodgers, 2-1 Against the Blue Jays and 3-3 Against the Red Sox. That's 12-7 against some good teams with winning records.
So that would put them at 36-15 against everyone but the Giants, Cleveland, A's, Rays, Mariners and Astros.
Winning records against most of the teams they've played (12 of the 18). They haven't played SD yet which is the only team they play this year that they haven't faced.
Against the Giants they're 1-3. Bundy started the first game in SF and did poorly and the offense didn't help, but they dominated the next game behind an excellent start from Heaney. Then at Home they got jumped on early in another Heaney start, and shut down by the Giants pitcher. Then given the opportunity to even the series, they went into extras tied 1-1, and the 12th both teams scored, and the Angels appeared to win the game and then replay overturned it, and the Giants scored 6 runs to win the game in the 13th.
So 1-3 against the Giants. No more games against the Giants remain.
And in the Cleveland series, they won the first one, and then lost the next two by a run, so the games were all close.
1-2 Against Clevaland.
So against 14 of 18 teams they've gone 38-20. Or 1 game under .667 ball.
They've been really bad against the other 4 teams. 1-6 against the Rays 3-9 against the A's, 3-6 against Houston, and 5-8 against the Mariners.
That's 12-29. That's .293 ball.
They don't play the Rays again. But Quintana sucked in game 1.  Rowan, Guerra and Mayers all spoiled decent starts in games 2, 3 and 4. Canning pitched ok in Game 5 and Suarez gave up the run to tie, then Cobb had a terrible start and Quintana, Quijada, and Guerra were terrible in relief, giving up 13 runs in their 6th loss before finally winning the 7th game.
They've gone 11-23 against the teams in their division with winning records.
Of the 23 losses, they've been against both starters and relievers. They got off to a horrible start playing Houston 9 times in their first 39 games and getting outscored 59-24. They lost 2 of 3 to Seattle in that stretch as well, but scored and allowed 14 runs.
Since that miserable 4-8 intradivision start they've lost Mike Trout for 60 odd games, and gone 3-9 against Oakland and 4-6 against Seattle. Trout has not faced Oakland this year. Trout in his career against Oakland has a .968 OPS WITH 38 HR. Against the Mariners, he has a 1.068 OPS with 47 HR. 7-15 against the AL West division (minus Texas), without Trout.
They've been outscored by the A's 57-36. Of those 57 runs, 31 were allowed by the bullpen, and an additional 9 runs were charged to the starters but were inherited runners allowed to score by our terrible pen.
Seattle's numbers aren't as bad. We've actually outscored them 64-63 despite the record. 24 runs have been scored by the Mariners against the Angels pen, 39 against the starters, so it's been pretty even despite the record.
They have 23 games remaining against the Astros (10), A's (7) and Mariners (6). If the Angels have any chance of making the postseason, they have to win at least 6, 5 and 4 of these. That would be 15-8 to go 9-10, 8-11, and 9-10. They'd finish with a losing record against these three teams, but a much closer one.
It does help that 7 of the 10, 7 of the 7 and 3 of the 6 are at home, 17 of 23. Win 3-1, 2-1, 2-1, 3-1, 2-1, at home and hope to go 3-3 in the two road series and it's a done deal 15-8.
Their other 40 games are against the Rockies (2 at home) Rangers (11, 4 at home), Dodgers (3 on road), Toronto (4 at home), Yankees (4, 1 on road, 3 at home), Detroit (3 on road), Cleveland (3 on road), Baltimore (3 on Road), SD (4, 2 at home 2 away), and the White Sox (3 on road).
If they can win these next two against the Rockies, go 8-3 against the Rangers (4-0 at home, 4-3 on road), 2-1 against Dodgers, 3-1 against both Blue Jays and Yankees, Then win 6 of the 9 games against Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore, split with SD and take the White Sox Series in September, they'd end up 28-12 in this group. Add that to the 15-8 and they'd finish at 43-20, And with 93 wins.
Even if they don't manage that pace, which would be a heck of a run, they can still get to the post season with say 39-24 or 37-26 if they win against their division and the Yankees, Bue Jays and Indians.
Finally, I'd say they need some help to do this, mainly bullpen, but also maybe a starter.
It's a long shot, obviously, but not out of the realm of possibility.
 

So I'm firmly in the win now mode. Without Trout, the Angels have stayed close enough. Hopefully he's back by August 15th and healthy. Hopefully Rendon is back a week earlier and hopefully they call up Thaiss to replace Suzuki or just add to the bench depth and carry three catchers. They also could promote Adell and basically platoon Upton/Adell/Marsh in the corners when Trout comes back.
They can go with one less reliever. I don't understand with a 6 man rotation why they need 8 relievers too. Honestly if Bundy and Quintana aren't in the rotation and effective they need to be traded cut or put on the IL. If they can add a reliever or two, this would drastically help. The other 6 have their ups and downs, but only  Iglesias has been solid. Wantz and Watson are ok. Cishek and Mayers have disappointed at times but then go through great stretches. Guerra is basically useless. They need 1-2 new guys.
And I keep hearing the "beat up on bad teams" lose to good teams thing, and it's true technically, but important to examine a bit deeper than that.
Angels are
3-0 against Baltimore. 3-0 against Arizona. 1-0 Against Colorado, 3-1 Against the Tigers, 4-2 Against KC and 5-2 against the Twins.
That's 19-5 against the bottom of the league...it's true. Add 5-3 against the Rangers and you get to the 24-8 mark.
But they're also
2-1 Against the Yankees, 3-1 Against the White Sox, 2-1 Against the Dodgers, 2-1 Against the Blue Jays and 3-3 Against the Red Sox. That's 12-7 against some good teams with winning records.
So that would put them at 36-15 against everyone but the Giants, Cleveland, A's, Rays, Mariners and Astros.
Winning records against most of the teams they've played (12 of the 18). They haven't played SD yet which is the only team they play this year that they haven't faced.
Against the Giants they're 1-3. Bundy started the first game in SF and did poorly and the offense didn't help, but they dominated the next game behind an excellent start from Heaney. Then at Home they got jumped on early in another Heaney start, and shut down by the Giants pitcher. Then given the opportunity to even the series, they went into extras tied 1-1, and the 12th both teams scored, and the Angels appeared to win the game and then replay overturned it, and the Giants scored 6 runs to win the game in the 13th.
So 1-3 against the Giants. No more games against the Giants remain.
And in the Cleveland series, they won the first one, and then lost the next two by a run, so the games were all close.
1-2 Against Clevaland.
So against 14 of 18 teams they've gone 38-20. Or 1 game under .667 ball.
They've been really bad against the other 4 teams. 1-6 against the Rays 3-9 against the A's, 3-6 against Houston, and 5-8 against the Mariners.
That's 12-29. That's .293 ball.
They don't play the Rays again. But Quintana sucked in game 1.  Rowan, Guerra and Mayers all spoiled decent starts in games 2, 3 and 4. Canning pitched ok in Game 5 and Suarez gave up the run to tie, then Cobb had a terrible start and Quintana, Quijada, and Guerra were terrible in relief, giving up 13 runs in their 6th loss before finally winning the 7th game.
They've gone 11-23 against the teams in their division with winning records.
Of the 23 losses, they've been against both starters and relievers. They got off to a horrible start playing Houston 9 times in their first 39 games and getting outscored 59-24. They lost 2 of 3 to Seattle in that stretch as well, but scored and allowed 14 runs.
Since that miserable 4-8 intradivision start they've lost Mike Trout for 60 odd games, and gone 3-9 against Oakland and 4-6 against Seattle. Trout has not faced Oakland this year. Trout in his career against Oakland has a .968 OPS WITH 38 HR. Against the Mariners, he has a 1.068 OPS with 47 HR. 7-15 against the AL West division (minus Texas), without Trout.
They've been outscored by the A's 57-36. Of those 57 runs, 31 were allowed by the bullpen, and an additional 9 runs were charged to the starters but were inherited runners allowed to score by our terrible pen.
Seattle's numbers aren't as bad. We've actually outscored them 64-63 despite the record. 24 runs have been scored by the Mariners against the Angels pen, 39 against the starters, so it's been pretty even despite the record.
They have 23 games remaining against the Astros (10), A's (7) and Mariners (6). If the Angels have any chance of making the postseason, they have to win at least 6, 5 and 4 of these. That would be 15-8 to go 9-10, 8-11, and 9-10. They'd finish with a losing record against these three teams, but a much closer one.
It does help that 7 of the 10, 7 of the 7 and 3 of the 6 are at home, 17 of 23. Win 3-1, 2-1, 2-1, 3-1, 2-1, at home and hope to go 3-3 in the two road series and it's a done deal 15-8.
Their other 40 games are against the Rockies (2 at home) Rangers (11, 4 at home), Dodgers (3 on road), Toronto (4 at home), Yankees (4, 1 on road, 3 at home), Detroit (3 on road), Cleveland (3 on road), Baltimore (3 on Road), SD (4, 2 at home 2 away), and the White Sox (3 on road).
If they can win these next two against the Rockies, go 8-3 against the Rangers (4-0 at home, 4-3 on road), 2-1 against Dodgers, 3-1 against both Blue Jays and Yankees, Then win 6 of the 9 games against Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore, split with SD and take the White Sox Series in September, they'd end up 28-12 in this group. Add that to the 15-8 and they'd finish at 43-20, And with 93 wins.
Even if they don't manage that pace, which would be a heck of a run, they can still get to the post season with say 39-24 or 37-26 if they win against their division and the Yankees, Bue Jays and Indians.
Finally, I'd say they need some help to do this, mainly bullpen, but also maybe a starter.
It's a long shot, obviously, but not out of the realm of possibility.
 

So I'm firmly in the win now mode. Without Trout, the Angels have stayed close enough. Hopefully he's back by August 15th and healthy. Hopefully Rendon is back a week earlier and hopefully they call up Thaiss to replace Suzuki or just add to the bench depth and carry three catchers. They also could promote Adell and basically platoon Upton/Adell/Marsh in the corners when Trout comes back.
They can go with one less reliever. I don't understand with a 6 man rotation why they need 8 relievers too. Honestly if Bundy and Quintana aren't in the rotation and effective they need to be traded cut or put on the IL. If they can add a reliever or two, this would drastically help. The other 6 have their ups and downs, but only  Iglesias has been solid. Wantz and Watson are ok. Cishek and Mayers have disappointed at times but then go through great stretches. Guerra is basically useless. They need 1-2 new guys.
And I keep hearing the "beat up on bad teams" lose to good teams thing, and it's true technically, but important to examine a bit deeper than that.
Angels are
3-0 against Baltimore. 3-0 against Arizona. 1-0 Against Colorado, 3-1 Against the Tigers, 4-2 Against KC and 5-2 against the Twins.
That's 19-5 against the bottom of the league...it's true. Add 5-3 against the Rangers and you get to the 24-8 mark.
But they're also
2-1 Against the Yankees, 3-1 Against the White Sox, 2-1 Against the Dodgers, 2-1 Against the Blue Jays and 3-3 Against the Red Sox. That's 12-7 against some good teams with winning records.
So that would put them at 36-15 against everyone but the Giants, Cleveland, A's, Rays, Mariners and Astros.
Winning records against most of the teams they've played (12 of the 18). They haven't played SD yet which is the only team they play this year that they haven't faced.
Against the Giants they're 1-3. Bundy started the first game in SF and did poorly and the offense didn't help, but they dominated the next game behind an excellent start from Heaney. Then at Home they got jumped on early in another Heaney start, and shut down by the Giants pitcher. Then given the opportunity to even the series, they went into extras tied 1-1, and the 12th both teams scored, and the Angels appeared to win the game and then replay overturned it, and the Giants scored 6 runs to win the game in the 13th.
So 1-3 against the Giants. No more games against the Giants remain.
And in the Cleveland series, they won the first one, and then lost the next two by a run, so the games were all close.
1-2 Against Clevaland.
So against 14 of 18 teams they've gone 38-20. Or 1 game under .667 ball.
They've been really bad against the other 4 teams. 1-6 against the Rays 3-9 against the A's, 3-6 against Houston, and 5-8 against the Mariners.
That's 12-29. That's .293 ball.
They don't play the Rays again. But Quintana sucked in game 1.  Rowan, Guerra and Mayers all spoiled decent starts in games 2, 3 and 4. Canning pitched ok in Game 5 and Suarez gave up the run to tie, then Cobb had a terrible start and Quintana, Quijada, and Guerra were terrible in relief, giving up 13 runs in their 6th loss before finally winning the 7th game.
They've gone 11-23 against the teams in their division with winning records.
Of the 23 losses, they've been against both starters and relievers. They got off to a horrible start playing Houston 9 times in their first 39 games and getting outscored 59-24. They lost 2 of 3 to Seattle in that stretch as well, but scored and allowed 14 runs.
Since that miserable 4-8 intradivision start they've lost Mike Trout for 60 odd games, and gone 3-9 against Oakland and 4-6 against Seattle. Trout has not faced Oakland this year. Trout in his career against Oakland has a .968 OPS WITH 38 HR. Against the Mariners, he has a 1.068 OPS with 47 HR. 7-15 against the AL West division (minus Texas), without Trout.
They've been outscored by the A's 57-36. Of those 57 runs, 31 were allowed by the bullpen, and an additional 9 runs were charged to the starters but were inherited runners allowed to score by our terrible pen.
Seattle's numbers aren't as bad. We've actually outscored them 64-63 despite the record. 24 runs have been scored by the Mariners against the Angels pen, 39 against the starters, so it's been pretty even despite the record.
They have 23 games remaining against the Astros (10), A's (7) and Mariners (6). If the Angels have any chance of making the postseason, they have to win at least 6, 5 and 4 of these. That would be 15-8 to go 9-10, 8-11, and 9-10. They'd finish with a losing record against these three teams, but a much closer one.
It does help that 7 of the 10, 7 of the 7 and 3 of the 6 are at home, 17 of 23. Win 3-1, 2-1, 2-1, 3-1, 2-1, at home and hope to go 3-3 in the two road series and it's a done deal 15-8.
Their other 40 games are against the Rockies (2 at home) Rangers (11, 4 at home), Dodgers (3 on road), Toronto (4 at home), Yankees (4, 1 on road, 3 at home), Detroit (3 on road), Cleveland (3 on road), Baltimore (3 on Road), SD (4, 2 at home 2 away), and the White Sox (3 on road).
If they can win these next two against the Rockies, go 8-3 against the Rangers (4-0 at home, 4-3 on road), 2-1 against Dodgers, 3-1 against both Blue Jays and Yankees, Then win 6 of the 9 games against Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore, split with SD and take the White Sox Series in September, they'd end up 28-12 in this group. Add that to the 15-8 and they'd finish at 43-20, And with 93 wins.
Even if they don't manage that pace, which would be a heck of a run, they can still get to the post season with say 39-24 or 37-26 if they win against their division and the Yankees, Bue Jays and Indians.
Finally, I'd say they need some help to do this, mainly bullpen, but also maybe a starter.
It's a long shot, obviously, but not out of the realm of possibility.
 

So I'm firmly in the win now mode. Without Trout, the Angels have stayed close enough. Hopefully he's back by August 15th and healthy. Hopefully Rendon is back a week earlier and hopefully they call up Thaiss to replace Suzuki or just add to the bench depth and carry three catchers. They also could promote Adell and basically platoon Upton/Adell/Marsh in the corners when Trout comes back.
They can go with one less reliever. I don't understand with a 6 man rotation why they need 8 relievers too. Honestly if Bundy and Quintana aren't in the rotation and effective they need to be traded cut or put on the IL. If they can add a reliever or two, this would drastically help. The other 6 have their ups and downs, but only  Iglesias has been solid. Wantz and Watson are ok. Cishek and Mayers have disappointed at times but then go through great stretches. Guerra is basically useless. They need 1-2 new guys.
And I keep hearing the "beat up on bad teams" lose to good teams thing, and it's true technically, but important to examine a bit deeper than that.
Angels are
3-0 against Baltimore. 3-0 against Arizona. 1-0 Against Colorado, 3-1 Against the Tigers, 4-2 Against KC and 5-2 against the Twins.
That's 19-5 against the bottom of the league...it's true. Add 5-3 against the Rangers and you get to the 24-8 mark.
But they're also
2-1 Against the Yankees, 3-1 Against the White Sox, 2-1 Against the Dodgers, 2-1 Against the Blue Jays and 3-3 Against the Red Sox. That's 12-7 against some good teams with winning records.
So that would put them at 36-15 against everyone but the Giants, Cleveland, A's, Rays, Mariners and Astros.
Winning records against most of the teams they've played (12 of the 18). They haven't played SD yet which is the only team they play this year that they haven't faced.
Against the Giants they're 1-3. Bundy started the first game in SF and did poorly and the offense didn't help, but they dominated the next game behind an excellent start from Heaney. Then at Home they got jumped on early in another Heaney start, and shut down by the Giants pitcher. Then given the opportunity to even the series, they went into extras tied 1-1, and the 12th both teams scored, and the Angels appeared to win the game and then replay overturned it, and the Giants scored 6 runs to win the game in the 13th.
So 1-3 against the Giants. No more games against the Giants remain.
And in the Cleveland series, they won the first one, and then lost the next two by a run, so the games were all close.
1-2 Against Clevaland.
So against 14 of 18 teams they've gone 38-20. Or 1 game under .667 ball.
They've been really bad against the other 4 teams. 1-6 against the Rays 3-9 against the A's, 3-6 against Houston, and 5-8 against the Mariners.
That's 12-29. That's .293 ball.
They don't play the Rays again. But Quintana sucked in game 1.  Rowan, Guerra and Mayers all spoiled decent starts in games 2, 3 and 4. Canning pitched ok in Game 5 and Suarez gave up the run to tie, then Cobb had a terrible start and Quintana, Quijada, and Guerra were terrible in relief, giving up 13 runs in their 6th loss before finally winning the 7th game.
They've gone 11-23 against the teams in their division with winning records.
Of the 23 losses, they've been against both starters and relievers. They got off to a horrible start playing Houston 9 times in their first 39 games and getting outscored 59-24. They lost 2 of 3 to Seattle in that stretch as well, but scored and allowed 14 runs.
Since that miserable 4-8 intradivision start they've lost Mike Trout for 60 odd games, and gone 3-9 against Oakland and 4-6 against Seattle. Trout has not faced Oakland this year. Trout in his career against Oakland has a .968 OPS WITH 38 HR. Against the Mariners, he has a 1.068 OPS with 47 HR. 7-15 against the AL West division (minus Texas), without Trout.
They've been outscored by the A's 57-36. Of those 57 runs, 31 were allowed by the bullpen, and an additional 9 runs were charged to the starters but were inherited runners allowed to score by our terrible pen.
Seattle's numbers aren't as bad. We've actually outscored them 64-63 despite the record. 24 runs have been scored by the Mariners against the Angels pen, 39 against the starters, so it's been pretty even despite the record.
They have 23 games remaining against the Astros (10), A's (7) and Mariners (6). If the Angels have any chance of making the postseason, they have to win at least 6, 5 and 4 of these. That would be 15-8 to go 9-10, 8-11, and 9-10. They'd finish with a losing record against these three teams, but a much closer one.
It does help that 7 of the 10, 7 of the 7 and 3 of the 6 are at home, 17 of 23. Win 3-1, 2-1, 2-1, 3-1, 2-1, at home and hope to go 3-3 in the two road series and it's a done deal 15-8.
Their other 40 games are against the Rockies (2 at home) Rangers (11, 4 at home), Dodgers (3 on road), Toronto (4 at home), Yankees (4, 1 on road, 3 at home), Detroit (3 on road), Cleveland (3 on road), Baltimore (3 on Road), SD (4, 2 at home 2 away), and the White Sox (3 on road).
If they can win these next two against the Rockies, go 8-3 against the Rangers (4-0 at home, 4-3 on road), 2-1 against Dodgers, 3-1 against both Blue Jays and Yankees, Then win 6 of the 9 games against Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore, split with SD and take the White Sox Series in September, they'd end up 28-12 in this group. Add that to the 15-8 and they'd finish at 43-20, And with 93 wins.
Even if they don't manage that pace, which would be a heck of a run, they can still get to the post season with say 39-24 or 37-26 if they win against their division and the Yankees, Bue Jays and Indians.
Finally, I'd say they need some help to do this, mainly bullpen, but also maybe a starter.
It's a long shot, obviously, but not out of the realm of possibility.
 

They paid Cobb $5 of the 15, and Fowler 1.75 of his 14. It's not signifcant savings. And MadBum has $50M guaranteed after this year and a 5.09 ERA. Pass.