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Arte should sell the team. What a disaster this franchise is

Damn, tough break. I once bought tickets and planned a trip to finally see Allen Iverson play before he called it a career (he was my favorite player growing up). I can’t remember if he was traded or injured but I didn’t get to see him. 
Then there’s always my trip to the SB to see our sh!tty team sh!t the bed. What an “experience” that was...
Anyways, have a few beers and just enjoy some afternoon baseball. This team freaking blows regardless of who is in the lineup.

Trout is injured, doofus.
But I agree, Scioscia should have taken into account who a diehard fan like you, who hasn't attended a game in 14 years, wants in the lineup. 

We really need to bring back a hot take hall of fame thread
 
 

That was easy... sell the yacht and do what you gotta do. If Trout leaves, that will be Arte’s legacy.

I really, really do want to be excited about this. But (for obvious reasons) I just have a sinking feeling that it only puts off the inevitable, and potentially to a point when we actually might really need him.

Meh....i feel like a battered wife when the husband in the greasy v neck says hes sorry, it wont happen again.

well its official, weve become the corpse everyone is trying to pick apart for scraps.  

Mr Eppler, this season is over.  Whoever doesn't believe this is kidding theirselves.  Time to sell whatever we can, stock up the minors with whatever returns we get, and call up some AAA players to finish the season.  The record at the end of the year doesn't matter.  Just develop the young guys and determine who belongs at this level. So disappointed that it has come to this.  It looked so promising when we we on a roll and had a 13-3 record.  Boy, times sure have changed.

Albert needs to get out of baseball.
when you get a hit and gets thrown out at first, it is time to quit.

How do you suppose he’d have built a winning a squad in the years after he bitched out ? 
I think he knew that he had burned everything and was fucked.  So he slunk out like a loser bitch.  The same thing is going to happen in Seattle.  He’s out of chips.  
Also, his teams made the playoffs once.  Definitley huge winners. 

Wtf is wrong with you guys lol. 

I'm legitimately interested in your opinion on these questions.
1. Do you believe John Lamb, Felix Pena and Deck McGuire are better right now than Jose Suarez and Griffin Canning?
2. Do you believe that Albert Pujols, and Luis Valbuena are better than Matt Thaiss, Jose Miguel Fernandez, Taylor Ward and David Fletcher? 
Obviously, I believe the answer to both these questions is unequivocally no, which is why I believe they aren't committed to winning in 2018. When you don't put out your best players on the field, you aren't completely in it to win that season.
I think the Angels are more geared toward winning in the future.

This season is toast so they should just start making some bold moves now that will benefit the future rather than trying to salvage 2018. 

Richards is good. People just don’t like him because he didn’t live up to expectations of being a top 10 pitcher in the league. There’s no doubt that we’re worse off without him though. We have Facking John Lamb starting games in his place

agree.  the GM is 10 times.  maybe 100 times more important than the manager.  Or I should say it's the person or team in charge of player personnel from the minor to the majors.  It could be the GM or President of baseball ops or VP of baseball ops etc.  
Who is responsible for the players that the manager has to choose from? 
don't kid yourself.  starting from around 2004, Mike Scioscia was a major contributor to the Angels roster.  Now I'm gonna write something crazy and we'll see who agree.  Scioscia was the main reason Stoneman stepped down.  Stoneman hoarded prospects.  MS wanted the talent focus to be on the big club.  It was his influence that propagated a change in direction.  
Tony was hired in Oct 2007.  His first order of business was to trade Ocab for Garland.  Next up was the signing of Hunter.  And at the deadline of the 2008 season, he acquired Tex for almost nothing.  He signed Shoe in Aug of 2008.  Then he signed Darren Oliver prior to 2009 season.  His crew acquired Miguel gonzalez and Darren O'day in the 2009 rule 5 draft.  He also signed Juan Rivera to a 3yr deal.  Brian Fuentes was acquired in late 2008 prior to the 2009 season.  Abreu in feb 2009.  While likely under Eddie Bane's watch, the halos had one of the best drafts in baseball history in 2009.  
So let's call a spade and spade.  His track record (Reagins) was very good until..........he acquired Kazmir at the August deadline in 2009.  How much 2007 to that point was under the influence of MS?  or Arte?  Everything was fine until Fuentes shit the bed and Arte had a meltdown.  Why?  Because Reagins was likely a lame duck.  
Then the 2009 off season was comprised of dumping figgy, escobar, guerrero, oliver, lackey, and signing Matsui and Rodney.  
Then the real shit hit the fan.  the 2010 draft.  Acquiring Dan Haren ( which was probably pretty reasonable but gave the halos no additional chance in 2010).  
And of course the trade of Napoli and Rivera for Vernon Wells.  But here's a question.  What was the worst thing that Reagins did prior to the Wells trade?  A trade that was potentially influenced by Arte because of our inability to sign Carl Crawford.  I guess the big question is how much was Reagins influenced by Scioscia and Arte?  Word has it that the reason he got fired was that he wasn't really doing anything anyway.  
My point is, I think MS had a great deal to do with roster construction from around 2004 to the time Jerry took over.
I'm not sure where Scioscia stopped and someone else started.  But it wasn't just Stoneman starting in 2004. 
That doesn't change the negligible influence of what a manager does.  Mike's influence as a manager has been pretty static.  Which is likely fair to good for any particular season and depending on personnel.   It's that gap from 2004 to 2011 where it's just impossible to say what his influence was.  
We all know about how Jerry's squandered his inheritance shortly thereafter.   The first thing his did was trade Chatwood for Iannetta.  Then he fired hatcher and traded Mathis.  Talk about shots across the bow.  Signed Albert and CJ.  LaTroy, Isringhausen.  
Traded Amarista and Roach for Frieri.  
Traded for Greinke (Pena, Hellweg and Segura)
Ervin Santana for Brandon Sisk
Added Madson, Tommy Hanson (RIP), Blanton, Burnett.  
Traded Morales for Jason Vargas
BTW, at this point in Dipoto's career, take a look at what he did vs. what Reagins did.  Yes, hindsight is 2020, but is there anything redeeming for Jerry?  
Anyway, let's continue.  Bear in mind, none of these transactions listed take into account the farm system by and large.  
In april of 2013, Jerry's team signed Jaime Barria.  That might be one of the best transactions of his Halo career.  
In the prior to 2014 season, he sent bourjos and Grichuk for Salas and Freese.  
Signed Joe Smith.  
Acquired Santiago and Skaggs for Trumbo.  The awesome part about this is he could have gotten Eaton and Skaggs for Trumbo.  
Signed Raul Ibanez
Traded Romine for Jose Alvarez.  In the top 5 for his best transactions.  
We actually had Rich Hill for 8 days.  
Traded for Huston Street and Trevor Gott with Lindsey, Alvarez, Rondon and Morris.  Another in his top 5.  
Traded Clevinger for Vinnie Pestano
Traded Conger for Perez, and Trop
Traded Kendrick for Heaney.  another in the top 5.  
And that's pretty much it for Jerry.  Barria, Skaggs, Heaney, Street.  His best transaction was probably the Trout extension.  
Shall we continue with Billy?
Simmons for Newcomb, Ellis and Aybar
Marte for Kody Eaves.  
JC Ramirez off waivers.  (6/2016)
Joe Smith for Jesus Castillo. 
Santiago for Meyer and Nolasco
Blake Parker off waivers in 10/2016
Yates off waivers the same day.  87k in 55.2ip last year for SDP and 37k in 32ip for SDP this year.  Should have kept him.  
Signed Justin Miller on 11/8/16.  18.2ip, 29k for WSN this year.  2.89 era. 
Signed John Lamb
traded McGowin and Austin Adams fro Espinosa.  
Maldonado for Bandy.  
Luis Valbuena signed on 1/24/17
signed Bud Norris 
signed Yusmeiro Petit 
traded for Bridwell (for cash)
traded for David Hernandez for cash
Kirby Yates lost to waivers
Released Justin Miller
Traded David Hernandez for Luis Madero.  21yo starter for burlington.  3.19era in 53.2ip.  41k.  
signed Noe Ramirez off waivers
signed Blake Wood
traded for Brandon Phillips (for Tony Sanchez).  
Justin Upton for Grayson Long and Elvin Rodriguez (3.38 era with 63 in 58.2ip at A ball as a 20yo).  
Felix Pena for cash 10/9/2018
Jim Johnson for intl bonus money and Justin Kelly .  
Traded Jacob Pearson for intl money.  (.774ops in A ball at age 20)
Signed Ohtani.  
Trade for Kinsler with Wilkel Hernandez (1.2ip this year with a 5.4 era) and Troy Montgomery (.631 ops at A+ as a 23yo). 
Signed Zach Cozart
Signed Jose Fernandez
Signed Rene Rivera
Traded CJ Cron for Luis Rengifo
Signed Chris Young.  
One of my points for going through this is to show that no manager has ever done any of the above in the modern era.  Is a hit and run call going to influence the nature of a team like most of these transactions?  

I’m sitting this one out *eating popcorn*

I'm just here for the Chris Young at-bats.

At this point you are just a big troll. 

I always thought managements main plan was to provide funds for Arte’s yacht fuel ?
maybe Arturo will take the yacht up to Seattle to watch the playoffs this year.  That’s a lot of yacht fuel !

Agreed, but as manager since 2000, he has earned finishing out this season.   Just focus on further prepping of the youngsters for next season and beyond.
With the right bullpen acquisitions and Ohtani's health, this is at least a serious WC game contender in 2019.   Year 4 of Eppler's plan

Sometimes a changing of the gaurd after a long term stint is just necessary. I think Scioscia is tired. 

No he wasn’t looking for lightning in a bottle.  He used the same method as last year.  

I personally don't believe that hitting played a factor in the injury.  Therefore, he should do the surgery asap, come back better than ever, and get back to being the unique 2 way talent that he was.  He will be fine.  We have seen many pitchers have TJ surgery and come back and be just as effective.  Lets not waste any more time.  The sooner he's back the sooner he can be part of a significant playoff run with the Angels.