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It's not over until the fat man packs up his office..

It's not over until the fat man packs up his office..

It's not over until the fat man packs up his office..

Get over it. This team TANKED in April and May.
The season was TANKED way back then.
They TANKED by not even being able to play 500 ball.
Nobody is calling for "tanking" or wanting to lose.
People are reaching to find the best outcome for a piss poor season.
If a better set of draft choices is going to be the best outcome of a piss poor season, why is that so distasteful to you?
You just need to label posters, put people down, and be cute?
Get over it man,
Geez.

Get over it. This team TANKED in April and May.
The season was TANKED way back then.
They TANKED by not even being able to play 500 ball.
Nobody is calling for "tanking" or wanting to lose.
People are reaching to find the best outcome for a piss poor season.
If a better set of draft choices is going to be the best outcome of a piss poor season, why is that so distasteful to you?
You just need to label posters, put people down, and be cute?
Get over it man,
Geez.

I think AJ was the first to say exactly what I was looking for in this thread.  Is Trumbo more valuable than Calhoun?  Because for measuring purposes, Kole Calhoun would effectively be considered his replacement given that he plays 1B and the corner OF.  You also have to consider the circumstances.  How valuable are HR's to this team vs. OBP?  
 
If every player had a high OBP but only moderate power, then Calhoun would hold practically no value.  Conversely, if every player on the team was a power hitter with a low OBP then Trumbo would hold little value.  So how do these guys measure up with comparison to their team?  Well in terms of power, the Angels have Hamilton, Pujols and Trout.  In terms of OBP the Angels have Trout and Iannetta.
 
BA - Calhoun would likely hit 20-30 points higher in any given season.
OBP - Calhoun's OBP would be 50 points higher on average. 
HR's - Trumbo should hit 20 more HR's yearly.
SB - Calhoun should take 5-10 extra bases a year. 
Defense - Despite the results lately, Calhoun is a better defender in the OF than Trumbo while Trumbo's better at 1B. 
 
Finally, there are two more aspects to consider.  1-If Trumbo's the better defender at 1B, do we have a replacement?  Yes, Pujols or Calhoun.  2- Monetary consideration.  Calhoun will be playing for the league minimum for another two years.  Over the next two years, you can expect Trumbo to earn at least 7 million.  
 
In conclusion, I think Calhoun is a slightly more valuable player given the climate of the Angels and his skill set. Not only does he contribute in more aspects, the idea that Trumbo's DH and backup corner OF limits his value on a team that has Pujols and Hamilton, both of whom will need considerable time at DH. 

this thread sucks

Winning is great.
Waiting until late August to win isn't so great.
New leadership and new attitude are badly needed.

this thread sucks

I want to ruin the Rangers season. Keep winning, Angels

Fire Pujols.

He was.
And Joe Torre was sitting right there in our broadcast booth for a few years, too.

Keeping this manager and coaching staff around after this season would be "stupid".

I would rather see Oakland get hot and make a run, than see Texas run off with this division.
I hate Texas.

I would rather see Oakland get hot and make a run, than see Texas run off with this division.
I hate Texas.

Except for his 3 Dingers on opening day at Wrigley.

There are psotive threads still, AJ creates some great Trout threads and the Richards thread is positive. Other than that, there isn't a ton to be positive about. Wilson has had a very good season and Weaver's demise was completely overblown, but this is a disaster of a season, and I don't blame anyway for posting negative thoughts about this team right now... Especially in a thread about a tense atmosphere where two players were near a fight.

People are still saying shit like this? First off, if you don't like it here, no one is forcing you to stay. Instead of bitching about the quality of the board you could just leave.
 
Secondly, this board is incredibly tame when compared to other sports message boards. Ever been to the Lakers board when they lose? How about the Red Sox?
 
I don't know what some of you guys are expecting. All roses and rainbows and sunshine despite the awful state of the organization.

Signing the manager to an unprecedented 10 year contract (honestly, is there another manager who has ever received more than a 5 year deal) thus allowing him to have unprecedented control over a young, inexperienced GM.

So, Wells, Pujols, and Hamilton were mostly Arte's doing?
Who would have thought that? Me.
 So Scioscia really isn't all that great at controlling his clubhouse and the big salaried egos in there?
Who would have thought that? Me.
 
Was I the only guy who saw Torii smiling and laughing and telling reporters how Jim Leyland is the funniest, loosest, and best mannager he has ever played for?

So, Wells, Pujols, and Hamilton were mostly Arte's doing?
Who would have thought that? Me.
 So Scioscia really isn't all that great at controlling his clubhouse and the big salaried egos in there?
Who would have thought that? Me.
 
Was I the only guy who saw Torii smiling and laughing and telling reporters how Jim Leyland is the funniest, loosest, and best mannager he has ever played for?

So, Wells, Pujols, and Hamilton were mostly Arte's doing?
Who would have thought that? Me.
 So Scioscia really isn't all that great at controlling his clubhouse and the big salaried egos in there?
Who would have thought that? Me.
 
Was I the only guy who saw Torii smiling and laughing and telling reporters how Jim Leyland is the funniest, loosest, and best mannager he has ever played for?

So, Wells, Pujols, and Hamilton were mostly Arte's doing?
Who would have thought that? Me.
 So Scioscia really isn't all that great at controlling his clubhouse and the big salaried egos in there?
Who would have thought that? Me.
 
Was I the only guy who saw Torii smiling and laughing and telling reporters how Jim Leyland is the funniest, loosest, and best mannager he has ever played for?

Something tells me you have taken a few balls to the chin.