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I'd love for the Angels to get at least one more quality setup-man type bullpen arm. Whether it's Hand, Bradley, Greene, or someone in a similar tier.

If Perry has actually convinced Arte Moreno to invest into the front office and baseball operations department, that would be huge. It feels like the Angels have lagged behind in those areas compared to other teams.

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If Perry has actually convinced Arte Moreno to invest into the front office and baseball operations department, that would be huge. It feels like the Angels have lagged behind in those areas compared to other teams.

I'd love for the Angels to get at least one more quality setup-man type bullpen arm. Whether it's Hand, Bradley, Greene, or someone in a similar tier.

The way I see it right now is:
1. Bundy
2. Heaney
3. Canning
4. Barria
5. Sandoval
Sandoval is the first to get bumped from the rotation if they sign a starter. Barria gets bumped to the bullpen if they sign 2 starters.
Ideally, they get 2 starters that slot above Bundy, Heaney, and Canning. Realistically, they get 1 starter that slots at the top of the rotation and 1 starter that slots behind either Heaney or Canning.
Also, I'd be cautious with Canning. Remember, there was a time this Spring when there was fear that he had a torn UCL. It's inevitable that someone gets hurt, so adding some depth starters should be a priority as well.

We need two pitchers:
A top of the rotation and another high quality closer or
Two starters 

So you put Barria or Sandoval as the 5th starter behind A Starter You Acquire, Bundy, Heaney, and Canning.
Then one or two starters get hurt, and now you're putting Jose Suarez into the rotation. Do you not see the problem? They need depth because we've seen every year that they get killed when they have no depth. That's why Suarez and Sandoval had to come up before they were ready, and it might have ruined Suarez' development.

If they did what you suggest, with all the days off, everyone would get around 27 starts. No free agent SP wants to pitch less.

If the Angels sign two starters, the rotation is Starter A, Starter B, Bundy, Heaney, and Canning with Barria in the bullpen. If Ohtani is healthy, then he would be a 6th starter starting once a week.

You are acting if bumping Barria and/or Sandoval out of the rotation is bad thing, but it's actually a great thing, as it gives the Angels more depth.

If the Angels sign two starters, the rotation is Starter A, Starter B, Bundy, Heaney, and Canning with Barria in the bullpen. If Ohtani is healthy, then he would be a 6th starter starting once a week.

You are acting if bumping Barria and/or Sandoval out of the rotation is bad thing, but it's actually a great thing, as it gives the Angels more depth.

The way I see it right now is:
1. Bundy
2. Heaney
3. Canning
4. Barria
5. Sandoval
Sandoval is the first to get bumped from the rotation if they sign a starter. Barria gets bumped to the bullpen if they sign 2 starters.
Ideally, they get 2 starters that slot above Bundy, Heaney, and Canning. Realistically, they get 1 starter that slots at the top of the rotation and 1 starter that slots behind either Heaney or Canning.
Also, I'd be cautious with Canning. Remember, there was a time this Spring when there was fear that he had a torn UCL. It's inevitable that someone gets hurt, so adding some depth starters should be a priority as well.

What is that order for starting pitchers? Is it just random? I'm not sure that Peña is going to be viewed as a starter. Also, I don't think they should even pencil Ohtani in as an option for starters. If he contributes on the pitching side, that's a bonus.

If the Angels are willing to trade that much prospect capital, they should shop that package around and see if they can get a better pitcher than Snell for that same package.
One thing that the Angels front office would know that we don't is what the asking price for Snell is in comparison to the asking price for Márquez or Gray. The asking price could be the same, higher, or lower.

It's certainly possible, I wouldn't rule anything out, but given how expensive SP is (both via FA and via trade), I would anticipate the bulk of our financial resources will go towards a SP.  A lot of good relievers are available at very low prices, so it would make sense to perhaps go with a reliever who can be had for 1-2mil vs 7-8mil, and use that extra 5-6mil to sign a SP.

My rough rankings would probably be:
1: Marsh
2: Adams
3-4: Detmers, Rodriguez in some order
5: Paris
6-8: Kochanowicz, Jackson, Vera in some order
9-16: Ramirez, Calabrese, Holmes, Yan, J Rivera, Jones, Deveaux, Knowles in some order
17-30ish: Placencia, Franco, E Rivera, Bonilla, Ortega, Martinez, Blakely, Pina, Seminaris, Salvador, Daniel, Aquino, Rondon, Reyes, etc.

It's not so much two starters and one more reliever, but two starters and a reliever of Odorizzi/Gray/Hand's caliber.
Perhaps they will do that. I think it's totally fair to expect 2 starters and a reliever, but Odorizzi, Gray, and Hand are near the top of the market at their respective classes and getting all 3 might be too much.

Two starters and one more reliever? I didn't think I was being overly optimistic. I'd be pretty disappointed in anything less.
 

The way I see it right now is:
1. Bundy
2. Heaney
3. Canning
4. Barria
5. Sandoval
Sandoval is the first to get bumped from the rotation if they sign a starter. Barria gets bumped to the bullpen if they sign 2 starters.
Ideally, they get 2 starters that slot above Bundy, Heaney, and Canning. Realistically, they get 1 starter that slots at the top of the rotation and 1 starter that slots behind either Heaney or Canning.
Also, I'd be cautious with Canning. Remember, there was a time this Spring when there was fear that he had a torn UCL. It's inevitable that someone gets hurt, so adding some depth starters should be a priority as well.

I think Odorizzi gets a bigger deal then people may think. I think he for sure gets 3 years, and likely gets 4 years. I'm thinking something around 4/$52M.

If that's the case, then my bad.
That would explain why it's never done.

I would do that deal from an Angels perspective, but I don't think the Rays would.
And if the Rays wanted to do that deal, I'd be concerned because the Rays are generally smarter than other teams. It would lead me to believe that they know something about Snell that others don't.

So a lot of people are bringing up the MLBPA not allowing that, but can the MLBPA really do anything? I can see why they'd be upset, but it's not against the rules. Until it's written in the rules, isn't is a loophole that can be exploited?

The Angels don't need him to waive his no trade clause.
Here's why: Say the Angels wanted to trade Justin Upton and Prospect X to Team Y for a PTBNL/Cash Considerations. The Angels could agree with Team Y that we will trade you Prospect X if you take on Justin Upton in exchange for a PTBNL/Cash Considerations.
If Upton declines to waive his no-trade clause, you work the agreement with Team Y so that they agree to claim Upton on waivers when you put him on waivers. You then put him on waivers, the team picks him up, and the deal is done.
Now you could say “what if Team Y doesn’t pick Upton up on waivers like they agreed to?” Well, they could work out the deal so that Team Y gets a PTBNL/Cash Considerations and that PTBNL/Cash Considerations is only Prospect X IF team Y claims Upton. Otherwise it’s just cash considerations (or $1).
Players with no-trade clauses can be put on waivers, and this is thus a workaround for any no-trade clause.

This is something I do have some questions about.
I don't know if trading with the Reds already means that a Gray deal won't happen, but it has to change the chances.
The question is, does the chance of Gray being traded to the Angels increase or decrease? It could increase because we know that the Angels and Reds have a working relationship. However, it could decrease because if they were going to do it, they might have already done it (like you said). I'd have to think that the chances that two teams strike two deals of significant magnitude with each other in the same offseason are lower.