Fish Oil

Part of me wants that high draft pick, but the greater part of me wants to crush the Mariners' playoff hopes. Utterly destroy it. A sweep this weekend would go a long way.

I'll never root for my team to lose.

So I came across this recently.  
http://www.fieldingbible.com/TeamDefensiveRunsSaved
An accounting of team defense by position.  But the one important thing to note is that DRS does not account for where the defensive player starts.  
However, the 'infield positioning' stat, which is proprietary to the fielding bible, does.  
And notice how the discrepancy is massive.  When taking the starting point into account, the team is actually saving more runs in the infield vs. pretty much every other team in the league.  

pretty much.   they get to a lot of stuff relative to where they start. But they don't get to much because of where they start.  

Well, his arm should be fresh!

Only one answer here:  Nolan Ryan.  Ryan averaged nearly 31 starts per year between 1980-1992, including the strike shortened 1981 season, which lowered the average somewhat.  
He possibly could have been a difference maker in 86, when we got oh so close.  He also won 158 games after he left here.  
This is an argument to sign Scherzer, it helps to show what 1 dominant pitcher can do for a ballclub. 

Outside of regional rivalries, teams are usually hated because they win. In the Astros case, it’s also because they cheated.
I wish the Angels were so dominant that they were hated.
Being hated is almost a badge of honor.

Scherzer
Ohtani
Gausman
Sandoval
Detmers
Canning

Yeah, it will be expensive to add two really good starters.  I plead guilty.  I want to actually win, not fantasize about winning and pat ourselves on the back for staying under budget.

This entire organization is an asshole.

I'm gonna send this to ESPN, so they don't screw up identifying our four young stars again.

I agree with that, but its hard to look past the part she went back a second time. 

Ha ha. 
Fuck the Yankees.

When trout sits out 27% of the Angels' games the last five years, his counting numbers look like Dave Kingman's.  How hard is that to comprehend?
 
Jesus, over the prime of Trout's career, he has missed more than a quarter of his games.  That's terrible.

By The AngelsWin.com Prospect Posse
Welcome to our updated 2021 prospects list. After the tragedy that was a lost minor league season in 2020, we were very excited to see our minor leaguers in action. The big surprise this year is the veritable explosion of pitching, from strong performances by top prospects Reid Detmers and Chris Rodriguez, to the emergence of lesser-known guys like Davis Daniel and Robinson Pina, as well as many fringe guys all of a sudden becoming legitimate major league depth in the near future.
The Prospect Posse: Who Are We?
We are a group of nine regular contributors to this website, all of whom consider eyewitness accounts, scouting reports, statistical analysis, and just gut feeling in our assessment. We feel that our list is stronger for the fact that it includes nine contributors, all with slightly different emphases, both in terms of how we consider prospects, and what sort of guys stand out to us. As one can see with the “ranking ranges,” there is often wide disagreement, but it all evens out to provide what we feel is a very strong list.
One thing to note is that the lower in the rankings one gets, the more interchangeable the ordering. In terms of the methodology used to compile this list, some of the prospects are grouped in clusters. For instance, while there’s a gap between #10 and #11, the next three guys (#11-13) are all very close, as are #14-15, and #19-21. There is a large gap between #21 and #22, as well as after #25. In our methodology, there is a similar gap between #17 and #26 as there is between #26 and #50.
To put that another way, we—as a group—are rather clear on who our top 25 are, and how they are tiered in their relative rankings, but after that it is less clear.
Without further ado, here are our updated rankings:
1. REID DETMERS (21, LHP)

 
Ranking Range: 1-4 Change: +3
Stats: 3.15 ERA, 13, GS, 60 IP, 18 BB, 106 SO in AA/AAA; 10.61 ERA in 2 GS in majors
Detmers has been all that we hoped for and more, largely due to his increased fastball velocity. Despite early struggles in his first two Major League starts, he has shown the flashes of excellence that led him to be our Top Prospect on this list. The floor for Detmers is very high—that of a good mid-rotation starter—but he could be better than that.
2. BRANDON MARSH (23, OF)

Ranking Range: 1-4 Change: Same
Stats: 28 games, .287/.398/.528, 4 HR, in 28 Rk/AAA | 19 games, .154/.257/.215 in 21 major league games
Marsh missed much of the first half due to injury, but when he returned, he completely destroyed AAA pitchers (.382/.417/.735 in 8 games), before being called up. He’s struggled in his first exposure to major league pitching but shows flashes of a well-rounded game. In some ways he’s the hitting version of Detmers: very high floor, with a good ceiling, that of an All-Star who is plus in just about every facet of the game.
3. JO ADELL (22, OF)

Ranking Range: 1-4 Change: -2
Stats: 73 games, .289/.342/.592, 23 HR in 73 AAA games | .304/.360/.478 in 6 major league games
Adell started the year with 7 walks and 57 strikeouts in his first 37 AAA games, but in the next 36 games he doubled his walk rate (15) and cut his strikeouts (42). In his first week in the majors, he’s looked like a completely different player than last year. Jo will require patience, but his ceiling is still very high and his ability to translate his power into the game is improving.
4. CHRIS RODRIGUEZ (23, RHP)

Ranking Range: 2-6 Change: -1
Stats: 3.64 ERA, 29.2 IP, 15 BB, 29 SO in 15 games and 2 starts in the majors
Rodriguez has had an interesting path this year, starting in the major league bullpen after only 78.2 professional innings, and none above A+. He held his own and, after an injury layoff, was sent to AA to be stretched out as a starter. The future still looks bright, and like Detmers he has the potential to be a TOR arm.
5. SAM BACHMAN (21, RHP)

Ranking Range: 4-10 Change: New
Stats: 0.00 in 1 GS, 2 IP, 0 BB, 2 SO in A+ ball
The Angels surprised everyone when they picked Bachman ahead of Kumar Rocker, although that seems less controversial now that Rocker and the Mets failed to reach an agreement. The big question is whether Bachman can stick as a starter, with some concerned about his violent delivery. But the stuff is immense, including a fastball that reaches triple digits and a slider to die for. Even if the Angels convert him to relief, he could be an elite closer.
6. KYREN PARIS (19, 2B)

Ranking Range: 5-8 Change: +1
Stats: .302/.444/.535, 2 HR, 13 SB, and 18 BB in 23 games in A/Rookie ball
Paris started the season hot, but then went down with a fractured fibula for a couple months. He just got back to A ball and is continuing where he left off, displaying speed, defense, contact ability, discipline, and even a touch of power.
7. AROL VERA (18, SS)

Ranking Range: 5-9 Change: +3
Stats: .317/.387/.471 in 26 Rookie ball games
Vera started the year scalding hot, hitting over .400 for his first week or so, but has cooled off, in a 1-15 funk as of this writing; still, a very promising start to his professional career.
8. JORDYN ADAMS (21, OF)

Ranking Range: 5-11 Change: -3
Stats: .207/.278/.341 in 46 games in A+
The luster has dimmed somewhat as Adams has struggled this year, although some of that may be due to an injury that kept him out for six weeks. The talent is there, but it remains to be seen whether he can convert it to baseball skills.
9. JEREMIAH JACKSON (21, IF)

Ranking Range: 6-11 Change: -1
Stats: .248/.322/.510 in 39 games in A ball Jackson continued where he left off in 2019, but at a level higher: lots of HR and strikeouts, although there are signs of slight improvement in BB%. He’s been out with quad strain for the last month and a half.
10. ALEXANDER RAMIREZ (18, OF)

Ranking Range: 8-14 Change: +3
Stats: .290/.380/.548 in 23 Rookie games
With Adell and Marsh in the majors, Ramirez is arguably the highest upside bat in the Angels system.
(11-30 rankings)
11. JACK KOCHANOWICZ (20, RHP)
Ranking Range: 11-17 Change: -6
Stats: 6.75 ERA in 14 GS, 57.1 IP, 26 BB, 50 SO in A ball
Kochanowicz is a work in progress, but the Angels are focusing in on developing his individual pitches, so don’t worry too much about that ERA. He'll require patience, but remains one of the higher upside pitchers in the organization.
12. ADRIAN PLACENCIA (18, 2B)
Ranking Range: 8-24 Change: +16
Stats: .226/.407/.484 in 19 Rookie games
Placencia was noted for his sweet swing and, so far, the results are promising, displaying advanced plate discipline in his first professional season.
13. KY BUSH (21, LHP)
Ranking Range: 9-18 Change: New
Stats: NA
The Angels 2nd round pick in the 2021 Amateur Draft, Bush improved over his college career and could end up being a steal in the second round.
14. DAVIS DANIEL (24, RHP)
Ranking Range: 14-22 Change: +17
Stats: 2.47 ERA in 14 GS, 73 IP, 25 BB, 100 SO in A+/AA ball
While the focus has been on Detmers and Rodriguez, Daniel has not-so-quietly made a huge impression in his first full professional season, dominating A+ and adjusting quickly to AA. On the depth chart for the major league club next year, as either a starter or reliever.
15. EDGAR QUERO (18, C)
Ranking Range: 12-27 Change: New
Stats: .304/.513/.679 in 20 games in Rookie ball
Quero is one to dream on: an international signing who has utterly dominated Rookie ball. While it is very, very early, it is hard not to be excited about a hard-hitting catching prospect.
16. ROBINSON PINA (22, RHP)
Ranking Range: 13-33 Change: +10
Stats: 3.48 ERA in 16 GS, 75 IP, 46 BB, 107 SO in A/A+ ball
After a rough beginning to the season and a demotion to A ball, Pina has been impressive in his return to A+. Like Daniel, if he doesn’t stick in the rotation he could end up as a high leverage major league reliever.
17. ALEJANDRO HIDALGO (18, RHP)
Ranking Range: 13-32 Change: New
Stats: 3.55 ERA IN 4 GS, 25.1 IP, 8 BB, 30 SO In Rookie ball
An international signing, Hidalgo has impressed with his first exposure state-side.
18. DENZER GUZMAN (17, SS)
Ranking Range: 14-Not Ranked  Change: New
Stats: .296/.333/.333 in 8 games in the Dominican Rookie league.
Not much to go on yet, but Guzman’s scouting profile and chatter shows a lot of promise. 
19. WERNER BLAKELY (18, IF)
Ranking Range: 14-NR Change: Same
Stats: .214/.385/.314 in 21 games in Rookie ball
Another raw but talented young middle infielder, Blakely has displayed excellent plate discipline in his first season.
20. D’SHAWN KNOWLES (20, OF)
Ranking Range: 14-NR Change: -4
Stats: .225/.284/.355 in 62 games in A ball (23 of 24 in stolen bases)
It is hard not to be disappointed with Knowles’ performance this year, as his numbers have trended down over the last few seasons. Of interest, he's played a few games at shortstop, implying that the Angels want to diversify his skill-set.
21. JANSON JUNK (25, RHP)
Ranking Range: 16-NR Change: New
Stats: 2.14 ERA in 15 games, 13 starts; 21 BB and 72 SO in 71.1 IP in AA 
A new arrival from the Andrew Heaney trade, Junk has dominated AA this year, and joins the Angels’ increasingly deep pool of second tier minor league starters who provide a bit of insurance in the coming years.
22. ERIK RIVERA (20, LHP/OF)
Ranking Range: 20-NR Change: New
Stats: 1 GS, 3.1 IP, 1 BB, 6 SO
After a promising first game, Rivera was shut down. His return time is unknown.
23. MICHAEL STEFANIC (25, IF)
Ranking Range: 10-NR Change: New
Stats: .334/.405/.487 in 79 AA/AAA games
Angels fans hope they have another in the tradition of Walsh, Fletcher and Calhoun: a late-round draftee who sneaks up on you. While he probably ends up as a major league utility infielder, it is hard to argue with his numbers this year, which are similar at both levels.
24. HECTOR YAN (22, LHP)
Ranking Range: 17-NR Change: -13
Stats: 5.80 ERA in 16 GS, 68.1 IP, 44 BB and 73 SO in A+ ball
An overall disappointing year for Yan so far, largely due to control issues. A move to relief is probably inevitable and might benefit him.
25. WILLIAM HOLMES (20, RHP/OF)
Ranking Range: 15-NR Change: -9
Stats: NA
Holmes hasn’t played a pro game this year, remaining in the Arizona complex.
26. ORLANDO MARTINEZ (23, OF)
Ranking Range: 14-NR Change: +3
Stats: .247/.299/.441 in 74 games in AA
Some still like his bat skills, but the results aren’t there yet. Could carve out a career as a platoon/bench outfielder.
27. BRENDON DAVIS (24, IF/OF)
Ranking Range: 15-NR Change: New
Stats: .285/.350/.554, 20 HR and 10 SB in 79 games in A+/AA
One of the biggest surprises on the farm this year, former Rangers farmhand Davis has crushed the ball, his numbers even better in 16 AA games (.306/.403/.629). At the least, he’s a real sleeper.
28. JHONATHAN DIAZ (24, LHP)
Ranking Range: 10-NR Change: New
Stats: 2.22 ERA, 10 G/6 GS; 9 BB and 65 SO in 48.2 IP in AA
Diaz has been very impressive, although has lost a lot of time to injury. Another on the second-tier depth chart for next year.
29. LANDON MARCEAUX (21, RHP)
Ranking Range: 18-NR Change: New
Stats: NA
The Angels third-round pick in the draft, Marceaux could rise quickly, although has a limited ceiling.
30. DAVID CALABRESE (18, OF)
Ranking Range: 23-NR Change: -18
Stats: .136/.240/.152 in 19 games in Rookie ball
While Calabrese has been completely over-matched in his first taste of pro ball, he’s still very young. 
The Next Twenty (#31-50): Oliver Ortega, Aaron Herandez, Mason Albright, Ryan Smith, Jose Bonilla, Stiward Aquino, Jose Marte, Edwin Yon, Kevin Maitan, Luke Murphy, Packy Naughton, Livan Soto, Kyle Tyler, Adam Seminaris, Coleman Crow, Cooper Criswell, David MacKinnon, Edwin Hidalgo, Sam Peguero, Jose Salvador.
If you'd like to see our more in depth Top-30 Prospects entering the 2021 season with more scouting reports, you can check that out here.
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I mean most of us expected him to miss the season anyways. I'd rather have him end the season on a surgery to hopefully fix things rather than some bullshit lingering one going into next season.

The tiny sliver of postseason chances wasn't diminished (swapping Heaney for Detmers is, at worst, break-even, and even could be a gain; if Detmers struggles, there's C-Rod).
in other words, we actually get to live into the pipe-dream of Trout and Rendon coming back and leading the team on an epic run. So let's give it a shot, but without any expectation. 
That's how I see it: very little chance of making it to the postseason, so no expectations, but there's a chance, and at least we get to see Ohtani chase 50, Trout and Rendon come back, Detmer's major league debut, C-Rod as a starter, more Marsh, and possibly Adell.

Remember that old headline "Yanks pound Angels Colon"?
Im hoping to see one like "Angels Junk impressive" or "Angels Junk comes up big"

I definitely would not put Ruiz over Rutschman, just that he's in the mix for top catching prospects across baseball, as once was Jeff Mathis with Joe Mauer. 
I kind of like Cartaya more, personally. Catching prospects with a lot of shine tend to not live up to the hype, and more often it's guys like Cartaya who sneak up and have better careers. 

Continuing discussion on who the Angels could acquire if they're true sellers - which is still the likeliest outcome. I thought I would go through each division and break down some of the likeliest teams we deal with and some of the likeliest prospects we could target or hope to receive. 
The first thread in the series: NL East | NL Central
Please try to add your own thoughts onto which prospects I might have missed or who you think would be the best outcomes in true selling scenarios...no need to devolve into fantastical Adell for Berrios/Scherzer/Alcantara-type deals in this thread when we have that in others. 
San Diego Padres: Seeking SP, RP, OF, almost anything
Tucupita Marcano, 21, MLB, IF: 
Pads’ #5 prospect on MLB.com, superb discipline and plus-plus Fletcher-esque contact skills, light on power, just okay defensively, but versatile, blocked in SD, on 40-man. Higher floor, lower ceiling Rengifo? Dealt to Pittsburgh 7/25 in package for Adam Frazier. Reggie Lawson, 23, AA, RHP:
#7, one of many Padres arms on the mend from TJ, has back-end rotation or dominant bullpen stuff if everything clicks, on the 40-man. Mason Thompson, 23, MLB, RHP:
#10, injuries have bumped the 6'7" RHP into a bullpen future; exactly the type of arm the Angels drafted this summer, on the 40-man and ready to contribute.  Anderson Espinoza, 23, A+, RHP:
#11, sort of the Padres' Chris Rodriguez, pitching this year for first time since '16, a high upside lotto ticket if there ever was on, future likely in bullpen, on the 40-man.  Steven Wilson, 26, AAA, RHP:
#16, standard issue relief prospect here, think Ty Buttrey, fastball topping near 97, slider, some command issues, R5 eligible this winter. Mason Fox, 24, AA, RHP:
#22, strong high spin-rate fastball-curveball mix, another reliever prospect whose ceiling will be determined by his command, and also R5 eligible this winter. Brandon Valenzuela, 20, A, C:
#26, defense-first switch-hitting catcher from an org that produces solid receivers, limited offensive ceiling but having a good year at Lake Elsinore, R5 eligible this winter. Osvaldo Hernandez, 23, AA, LHP:
#29 crafty lefty that's buried on depth by flashier arms, a true pitcher-not-a-thrower with a plus curveball, R5 eligible this winter. Henry Henry, 22, AA, RHP:  (@Angels Fan Forever)
Not ranked, 6'4" reliever with firm fastball and slider and a track record of solid, steady, success, albeit not very flashy. R5 eligible. If there was a ever a team where the Angels could quickly improve their young bullpen corps, it's the Padres. I really like how the Angels match up with San Diego in terms of landing impact relief prospect talent, and while there would be a lot of risk in targeting volatile arms like this, if the Angels were able to snag one of Lawson, Thompson or Espinoza (maybe even with Fox or Wilson if they throw in a SP or a prospect of their own) for Iglesias/Cobb, they would go a long, long way to immediately adding young, MLB-ready arms with big upside to their 2022 bullpen. The Padres are under a bit of a 40-man crunch too between the number of R5 prospects they have and the numerous players in and out of the IL this year.
The big question is one that has been a recurring theme; the Padres, like many of the teams expected to buy, likely will aim higher than what the Angels have to offer, and there isn't much exception here. Sure, Alex Cobb and Raisel Iglesias would be upgrades to this team, but the Padres could just as easily look to guys like Joey Gallo, Kyle Gibson, Craig Kimbrel, Jose Berrios, Taylor Rogers.
 
San Francisco Giants: seeking rotation and bullpen help, OF
Patrick Bailey, 22, A, C:
#6, Bart draws all the attention, but Bailey is a very solid catching prospect with offensive room to grow, switch-hitter, should advance quickly and be a more realistic trade return than Bart.  Camilo Doval, 24, MLB, RHP:
#24, unusually unique pen arm with an extreme variance of outcomes, from up-and-down waiver wire arm to something much better, already on 40-man, big strikeout stuff and command issues. Kervin Castro, 22, AAA, RHP: (@Second Base)
#25, a former catcher, firm fastball and strong curveball, still newish to pitching but boasting strong command and solid results, already on 40-man. Ricardo Genoves, 22, A+, C:
#28, a bit of a bat-first catcher showing improving defense, he has a strong arm but is a little slow behind the plate, he'll hit R5 eligibility this winter (before Bailey) making him a good trade candidate. The Giants are a great team to match up if the Angels were looking to add a significant catching prospect, as a resurgent Buster Posey and an emerging Joey Bart make both Bailey and Genoves expendable. The big question will be if the Angels match up with the Giants needs well enough; Iglesias and Cobb are the Angels' best trade chip but the Giants might not need either. It's easy to see San Fran choosing to either go with someone of more impact, or someone who costs less in a trade, meaning that if the Angels were to match up with San Fran, it might be that this was one of the best offers they received.
 
Los Angeles Dodgers: seeking pitching upgrades
Brusdar Graterol, 22, MLB, RHP:
Considerable talent with some questions about health, elite velocity and a wipeout slider, unlikely Dodgers would part but health concerns and urgency to win could make him a surprising target. Keibert Ruiz, 23, MLB, C:  
#1, arguably baseball's best catching prospect, switch-hitter, exceptional contact skills, some power, and tools to be a solid receiver, though likely nothing extraordinary. Dealt to Washington in package for Max Scherzer and Trea Turner 7/29 Josiah Gray, 23, MLB, RHP:
#2, former infielder and a little undersized for a SP at 6'1", features strong fastball and solid slider and curve, should be a solid mid-rotation arm, MLB-ready. Dealt to Washington in package for Max Scherzer and Trea Turner 7/29 Diego Cartaya, 19, A, C:
#6, strong arm and on-field leadership presence make up for somewhat lacking behind-the-plate skills, 6'3", 220 frame offers significant projectable offensive upside.  Andy Pages, 20, A+, OF:
#8, almost an Angel in fabled Joc/Strip trade, strong blend of power and speed, borderline Top-100 player with lots to dream on. Are the Dodgers open to moving him? Was it Billy or the Angels that wanted him? Gerardo Carrillo, 22, AA, RHP:
#17, undersized arm with heavy, sinking fastball with two functional breaking pitches and a usable changeup. Future likely in relief, already on the 40-man. Dealt to Washington in package for Max Scherzer and Trea Turner 7/29 Michael Grove, 24, AA, RHP:
#19, fastball-first arm who has lost significant time to injury, has secondary pitches to develop as a SP, but might be better groomed as a multi-inning FB/SL reliever, R5 eligible. Jesus Galiz, 17, Rk., C:
#21, exceptionally raw talent with lots of projection on both sides of the plate, agile and athletic behind the plate with an advanced offensive approach for a teenager. Extreme lotto ticket. Andre Jackson, 25, AA, RHP:
#26, former OF converted to pitching, likely to wind up reliever due to walk issues but features big strikeout stuff and strong results as a SP. Already on 40-man, could be interesting 2-way conversion project? Carson Taylor, 22, A+, C:
NR, switch-hitting, bat-first catcher with significant long-term questions behind plate, but also solid power, solid contact, and advanced discipline (30 BB to 29 K), could advance quickly and be useful in Halos system. John Rooney, 24, AA, LHP:
NR, polished arm with three-pitch mix displaying significant uptick in strikeouts this year, though with control issues. Could move quickly as a lefty reliever who holds own against RHB, R5 eligible. With one of the deeper farm systems in baseball, the Dodgers are a popular team to discuss in scenarios in which the Angels sell - and why not? They have a surplus of catching talent, an area where the Angels are severely lacking, and have a faltering bullpen and thin rotation that could benefit from the Angels' vets. As with many other teams the big question will be whether the Dodgers aim higher or look to upgrade in the margins. Crosstown rivals do not deal often, but with the Dodgers prior interest in names such as Taylor Ward and Luis Rengifo, and Perry's connections to the Dodgers via Alex Anthoupoulos, Alex Tamin, and Brian Parker, there could be potential for a fairly large deal here where the Angels swap several names for several names in an effort to help both the Dodgers' near-term needs and the Angels bigger picture. 
 
Arizona Diamondbacks and Colorado Rockies: selling at the deadline 
If any trades are made with these teams it will be because the Angels flipped to buyers. 
 
Which prospects might you want to see the Angels acquire from these teams if they become true sellers?

I'm not aware of any plausible arguments that place Ruiz above Rutschman, but I get your point. This is who I would like to see us target, but we have nothing to offer of equivalent value.

Angels needed to go above slot on Murphy. Third year freshman through weird circumstances, so he could've gone back to Vandy and re-entered three draft next year or the year after and still held considerable leveraged in negotiations. 
And the further he's separated from TJ surgery, the harder he throws. He touched 99 recently, which is incredible for a college reliever, but sits 95 which is still excellent. I have little doubt that in a year or two, with good health, he could be sitting 97 with a plus slider. 

Hey, the only battle we won was after the war was over and was with the help of pirates, and yet we won the war.

I think that's pretty cool.

Probably the most interesting thing is the panicked evacuations of the books, documents, paintings and other things from DC before the British burned everything - my g/f has drug me to various sites and archives, trying to piece together what went where (turns out, a bunch of them were dumped, Indiana Jones style, in a forgotten basement / corner of the Capitol Building, only to be discovered over 100 years later .. )
Ok, it's not actually that interesting ... 😉
 

Hey, the only battle we won was after the war was over and was with the help of pirates, and yet we won the war.

I think that's pretty cool.

Battles won by the USA in war of 1812
1.  Battle of Plattsburgh 
2.  Battle of Lake Erie
3. Battle of Baltimore
4. Battle of New Orleans.
The USA forces did well in the what is today the Midwest Ohio and Indiana region.  They did exceptionally well at sea.  
British throughout most of the war had most of their forces fighting against Napoleon in other theaters.  In fact Britsin views the war as another front in the Napoleonic Wars.  
Once Napoleon was defeated British veterans were sent to the USA and sacked Washington DC.  They were defeated at Battle of Baltimore. 
Battle of New Orleans was after the war and there was major assistance from pirates.