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Or this is the exact time that we need to get impact players. And arte needs to ok the check book to open up. Everyone here is so Pessimistic and sad that it’s pathetic. Teams lose players all the time. It’s how you rebound and recover that makes champions. 

I am sorry guys. But I am not panicking. Yes we are a worse team without Ohtani. But you know what. Every team has significant injuries. The Mariners took off after Cano and Gordon got hurt. We can try and take positives from this. Now we can have Pujols focus on DH, we can get an impact bat who can play 1b or someone like moustakas where we can have more roster flexibility. We can go back to a 5 man rotation and bring ina bullpen piece and we can contend. Hell may Be we even go after a Bumgardener or DeGrom or Syndergaard. Your guys’s Pessimism SUCKS. AND I REFUSE TO LET IT BRING ME DOWN. I STILL THINK WITH THE RIGH ADDITIONS(and no I don’t think we have to GUT our system) WE CAN STILL WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP. ALL YOU PESSIMISTS CAN SUCK IT AND SHUT THE HECK UP. 

Hell, I panicked when Shoemaker went down! No pressure, cause no one expects anything now. RELAX, have fun and lets see what happens. This is still a way better team then last year. a few bullpen pieces, solid day to day dependable right fielder and lets see what happens!

I don't think the season is over, I still think we are better than Seattle, but it is going to be hard.  If they want to make a run, this probably changes the pieces they would be looking to acquire.  I think it might force them to look for pieces that are here more long term, versus a more affordable option of picking up a rental.  At least that is how I see it. 

Or this is the exact time that we need to get impact players. And arte needs to ok the check book to open up. Everyone here is so Pessimistic and sad that it’s pathetic. Teams lose players all the time. It’s how you rebound and recover that makes champions. 

You are right about MLB regulars not being sure things either. But they are more sure things than unproven prospects. With An MLB regular you more or less know how they preform in the big leagues. And by the time almost all of our prospects are ready, almost all of: Skaggs, Trop, Heaney, Barria, Ohtani, Upton, Simmons and Trout will either be close to or over thirty and/or not under contract or team control (with exception of Barria and Ohtani and Maybe Upton who will be vastly over thirty). So our window may or may not be closing. But we do not know for sure. Best bet is to go for it while we have the best player now and good stars around him. We just need another impact player or two. We can still get impact players and still keep a solid system. We do not have to deplete our system. We have so many high upside prospects why not use a few of them now to aquire talent while we have sure thing stars at this moment. 

You are right about MLB regulars not being sure things either. But they are more sure things than unproven prospects. With An MLB regular you more or less know how they preform in the big leagues. And by the time almost all of our prospects are ready, almost all of: Skaggs, Trop, Heaney, Barria, Ohtani, Upton, Simmons and Trout will either be close to or over thirty and/or not under contract or team control (with exception of Barria and Ohtani and Maybe Upton who will be vastly over thirty). So our window may or may not be closing. But we do not know for sure. Best bet is to go for it while we have the best player now and good stars around him. We just need another impact player or two. We can still get impact players and still keep a solid system. We do not have to deplete our system. We have so many high upside prospects why not use a few of them now to aquire talent while we have sure thing stars at this moment. 

I respectfully disagree. I think that may be the case if all of our prospects pan out as best base scenario. We as Angel fans vastly overrate our own prospects and players. Adell and Canning May be have star potential. With Marsh, and Jones possibly being solid regulars to may be all-stars. Barria and Suarez are likely mid rotation pitchers at best. I hope I am wrong and they become top of the rotation pitchers. With all other prospects falling somewhere lower than that, and maybbe MLB regulars to role players at best. There may likely be some surprises as some may out preform their possible ceiling. But more likely is some prospects never reach these potentials. We would need most of all our prospects to reach their full potential and ceiling to compete by hanging on all prospects and continue signing aging veterans. And as for All the prospects reaching their full potential and ceiling; THAT NEVER HAPPENS. Hit rates on prospects are very low. And only players like Ward, Thasis, and may be canning are 2 years away. Everyone else is likely a lot farther than that. And 2 Years from now Trouts Contract is up. Only Pujols and Upton will be under contract. So I think we should go for it now. I am not a fan of kicking the Can down the road in hopes we get lucky later. 

I think this is a fair look at things, as I mostly agree with this. But I think we do need to try and make a move to win now. 

I respectfully disagree. I think that may be the case if all of our prospects pan out as best base scenario. We as Angel fans vastly overrate our own prospects and players. Adell and Canning May be have star potential. With Marsh, and Jones possibly being solid regulars to may be all-stars. Barria and Suarez are likely mid rotation pitchers at best. I hope I am wrong and they become top of the rotation pitchers. With all other prospects falling somewhere lower than that, and maybbe MLB regulars to role players at best. There may likely be some surprises as some may out preform their possible ceiling. But more likely is some prospects never reach these potentials. We would need most of all our prospects to reach their full potential and ceiling to compete by hanging on all prospects and continue signing aging veterans. And as for All the prospects reaching their full potential and ceiling; THAT NEVER HAPPENS. Hit rates on prospects are very low. And only players like Ward, Thasis, and may be canning are 2 years away. Everyone else is likely a lot farther than that. And 2 Years from now Trouts Contract is up. Only Pujols and Upton will be under contract. So I think we should go for it now. I am not a fan of kicking the Can down the road in hopes we get lucky later. 

Everyone is on the market if it gets us a championship and that includes Trout.  However the championship is not guaranteed when you make the trade.  Therefore it's hard to assess if we should trade out top prospect.  It's all should be balanced between what value value of your giving up and what value you get.
I dont want to trade a top prospect for a relief pitcher! I would consider secondary prospects, but not our top prospects 
Now I would for a Machado, arrenado, or Harper if the prospects of extension is good.

I do not agree with most posters here who think we should hoard and hang on to All our prospects. We do have a a good deal of talented prospects. But that is exactly what they are; prospects. A majority of prospects never pann out. We have the best player in baseball right now, along with an amazing star shortstop and a future star in Ohtani. We have low cost starters who are finally producing. If we do not put a winning product on the field now we may lose the one of the greatest players of all time because we would rather hold on to our prospects rather than make the risky move to aquire talent. We have the prospects to put a contender on the field now. And we probably do not have to deplete our system to get there. It makes no sense In hoarding and holding on to these prospects. Yeah some may be our future. But that is a crap shoot at best. It’s not like we are the Astros who had numerous top 5 picks to get where they were. We are talking about prospects that have a lot lower ceiling (except may be our few top 3-4 prospects at most) A lot of these prospects have more value in what they can bring in as apposed to being role players In The future. A lot will never even pan out, much less even make it to the big leagues. So why hang on to all of them with the risk that we never put a competitive team on the field. Let’s do it now while we have one of the best players of all time. 

I do not agree with most posters here who think we should hoard and hang on to All our prospects. We do have a a good deal of talented prospects. But that is exactly what they are; prospects. A majority of prospects never pann out. We have the best player in baseball right now, along with an amazing star shortstop and a future star in Ohtani. We have low cost starters who are finally producing. If we do not put a winning product on the field now we may lose the one of the greatest players of all time because we would rather hold on to our prospects rather than make the risky move to aquire talent. We have the prospects to put a contender on the field now. And we probably do not have to deplete our system to get there. It makes no sense In hoarding and holding on to these prospects. Yeah some may be our future. But that is a crap shoot at best. It’s not like we are the Astros who had numerous top 5 picks to get where they were. We are talking about prospects that have a lot lower ceiling (except may be our few top 3-4 prospects at most) A lot of these prospects have more value in what they can bring in as apposed to being role players In The future. A lot will never even pan out, much less even make it to the big leagues. So why hang on to all of them with the risk that we never put a competitive team on the field. Let’s do it now while we have one of the best players of all time. 

I do not agree with most posters here who think we should hoard and hang on to All our prospects. We do have a a good deal of talented prospects. But that is exactly what they are; prospects. A majority of prospects never pann out. We have the best player in baseball right now, along with an amazing star shortstop and a future star in Ohtani. We have low cost starters who are finally producing. If we do not put a winning product on the field now we may lose the one of the greatest players of all time because we would rather hold on to our prospects rather than make the risky move to aquire talent. We have the prospects to put a contender on the field now. And we probably do not have to deplete our system to get there. It makes no sense In hoarding and holding on to these prospects. Yeah some may be our future. But that is a crap shoot at best. It’s not like we are the Astros who had numerous top 5 picks to get where they were. We are talking about prospects that have a lot lower ceiling (except may be our few top 3-4 prospects at most) A lot of these prospects have more value in what they can bring in as apposed to being role players In The future. A lot will never even pan out, much less even make it to the big leagues. So why hang on to all of them with the risk that we never put a competitive team on the field. Let’s do it now while we have one of the best players of all time. 

I do not agree with most posters here who think we should hoard and hang on to All our prospects. We do have a a good deal of talented prospects. But that is exactly what they are; prospects. A majority of prospects never pann out. We have the best player in baseball right now, along with an amazing star shortstop and a future star in Ohtani. We have low cost starters who are finally producing. If we do not put a winning product on the field now we may lose the one of the greatest players of all time because we would rather hold on to our prospects rather than make the risky move to aquire talent. We have the prospects to put a contender on the field now. And we probably do not have to deplete our system to get there. It makes no sense In hoarding and holding on to these prospects. Yeah some may be our future. But that is a crap shoot at best. It’s not like we are the Astros who had numerous top 5 picks to get where they were. We are talking about prospects that have a lot lower ceiling (except may be our few top 3-4 prospects at most) A lot of these prospects have more value in what they can bring in as apposed to being role players In The future. A lot will never even pan out, much less even make it to the big leagues. So why hang on to all of them with the risk that we never put a competitive team on the field. Let’s do it now while we have one of the best players of all time. 

win now. there's a real possibility we won't have trout beyond the current contract so i'd take necessary steps now to win while he's here. might make him want to stay, too.

I think the question is if the team is one or two pieces from being a serious WS contender. If so, make some trades. If not, ride It out.
I don't think we're serious contenders but I understand and support if Eppler wants to go for it. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

I thought  this year was his “bounceback” year.  Calhoun is not playing at a level that any major league team could tolerate from an every day player.  He’ll get another look (probably shorter then the one he’s already had this season) when he comes back.  If he hasn’t come around.  He’s going to get released.  If not released, buried in the minors.  His deal isn’t that big and he’s only under contract for one more season.  Your ridiculous pessimism with everything the Angels do is really clouding your opinion here @OHTANILAND

Baseball has mostly done well keeping politics out of the sport, especially compared to the NBA and the NFL.
But Adam Jones has definitely shown an interest in bringing politics into his personal baseball identity.
It's a big turn off for me.  I'd rather the Angels pursue somebody else.

Edit: thread title updated based on recent news
 
There are often disagreements around these parts about acquiring some missing pieces but having to trade away some of our top farm prospects. 
My question for you all is, at what point would it be worth it? Some say they'd never trade X or Y, no matter what! Does this mean some of you would still be unhappy if we traded Adell and Marsh for a major leaguer who helped lead us to a World Series win in 2018? Or at what point would it be worth it to you all? WS win or bust? WS appearance?
I think we often lose sight of what we are actually trying to accomplish if we want to hold on to prospects no matter what. Yes, we shouldn't let them go easily but if it is a year we could have a chance, who knows.

I think him going 5-1 with an era of 2.48 and an ops of 1.046  (166 ops+) in his first stint in the majors has definitely increased his value across the majors. 
EDIT: comparing his trade value in comparison to veteran starters is a completely different conversation 

I disagree 

Or Pujols. Thanks Mr. Spelling Nazi for the correction.  You are so amazing  . 

I understand how you feel and I am all for people having different opinions and voicing them. In fact I encourage discussion on improving the team, and that includes who our manager should be.  But it’s when people say they will just start following another team because they do not agree with a decision or how things are going is what bothers me. I have been an angels fan literally my whole life. Some of my earliest memories are at angel stadium. As an avid follower and fan I have grew up with an angels team not used to any success, yet would come home and watch every single game that used to be on tv that I could catch. As a long time fan, I just can’t fathom the thought of just becoming another teams fan and dropping the angels like that. So that is what my post was about. Sorry for the long rant, but being an angels fan or not is more than whether mike scioscia is our manager or not, or whether or not mike trout resigns with us. For me, it is all in, all the time. That’s a true angels fan and Halo Honk for life. Go Halos.