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i straddle the line between stradling and chuck. i say, let ohtani do whatever he says he can do. maddon and the coaches can watch him, and if they think he's wearing down, then lighten his load.

this board hates bumgarner, which is lunacy. dude got wrecked on an atv, then came back and got himself back into form. the guy threw 200 innings of sub 4 era ball, as he always seems to do, but the angels can't use that. i bet he has a better year next year, than this past year. if his team makes the playoffs watch him do what he always seems to do in big games, which is buckle down and deliver. 
i'd love to have a pitcher throw sub 4 ball and 200 innings for 5 years. 
i hope the angels do sign him, you sonsabitches!!!

i know you're not saying this, but i'm certainly not arguing that bumgarner is equal to cole. that would be ludicrous, but this board just throws around that bumgarner is a 4 or 5 starter, and i just think that's laughable.
i could make a very compelling argument that cole alone this offseason would be disastrous, where as a bumgarner, ryu, or whatever offseason would probably lead to more wins for the angels. obviously, i'd prefer to sign cole and bumgarner, but i really don't think the angels plan to spend as much as many here are expecting.

hey man, don't characterize this as a discussion between your thoughts and my feelings. i can point to his career stats either traditional or advanced and show that his current rates are all exceedingly similar to his career rates. bumgarner's career has always been a tale of two seasons, the regular season where he is a nice above average pitcher who gives you a ton of quality innings and a post season pitcher who virtually dominates. look at any of the years in these links and tell me if you see a discrepency between now and any year. nearly any stat, gb%, fip, xfip, hr/fb. pick any of them. i don't see the drop off anywhere. he's 29 years old, going into his age 30 season. if we have him for 30-35 at 18 million per, sign him up. we need good quality innings and durability.
your point about his fastball velocity is unfair. bumgarner has never been a high velocity pitcher. in fact, he's never averaged a league average fastball velocity. his career high fastball velocity in a season was 2016 at 93mph. the average fastball velocity in 2019 was 93.4.
his career avg. velocity is 92.2mph and his average last year was 91.7mph. his average fastball velocity over his career has been 1.2mph slower than league average and he's "lost" a total of .5mph off his average fastball in 2019. he's not a power pitcher and he's not jered weaver throwing 82mph fastballs.
edit: forgot to post the links:
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/madison-bumgarner/5524/stats?position=P&data=pi
https://www.mlb.com/player/madison-bumgarner-518516

hey man, don't characterize this as a discussion between your thoughts and my feelings. i can point to his career stats either traditional or advanced and show that his current rates are all exceedingly similar to his career rates. bumgarner's career has always been a tale of two seasons, the regular season where he is a nice above average pitcher who gives you a ton of quality innings and a post season pitcher who virtually dominates. look at any of the years in these links and tell me if you see a discrepency between now and any year. nearly any stat, gb%, fip, xfip, hr/fb. pick any of them. i don't see the drop off anywhere. he's 29 years old, going into his age 30 season. if we have him for 30-35 at 18 million per, sign him up. we need good quality innings and durability.
your point about his fastball velocity is unfair. bumgarner has never been a high velocity pitcher. in fact, he's never averaged a league average fastball velocity. his career high fastball velocity in a season was 2016 at 93mph. the average fastball velocity in 2019 was 93.4.
his career avg. velocity is 92.2mph and his average last year was 91.7mph. his average fastball velocity over his career has been 1.2mph slower than league average and he's "lost" a total of .5mph off his average fastball in 2019. he's not a power pitcher and he's not jered weaver throwing 82mph fastballs.
edit: forgot to post the links:
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/madison-bumgarner/5524/stats?position=P&data=pi
https://www.mlb.com/player/madison-bumgarner-518516

this board hates bumgarner, which is lunacy. dude got wrecked on an atv, then came back and got himself back into form. the guy threw 200 innings of sub 4 era ball, as he always seems to do, but the angels can't use that. i bet he has a better year next year, than this past year. if his team makes the playoffs watch him do what he always seems to do in big games, which is buckle down and deliver. 
i'd love to have a pitcher throw sub 4 ball and 200 innings for 5 years. 
i hope the angels do sign him, you sonsabitches!!!

hey man, don't characterize this as a discussion between your thoughts and my feelings. i can point to his career stats either traditional or advanced and show that his current rates are all exceedingly similar to his career rates. bumgarner's career has always been a tale of two seasons, the regular season where he is a nice above average pitcher who gives you a ton of quality innings and a post season pitcher who virtually dominates. look at any of the years in these links and tell me if you see a discrepency between now and any year. nearly any stat, gb%, fip, xfip, hr/fb. pick any of them. i don't see the drop off anywhere. he's 29 years old, going into his age 30 season. if we have him for 30-35 at 18 million per, sign him up. we need good quality innings and durability.
your point about his fastball velocity is unfair. bumgarner has never been a high velocity pitcher. in fact, he's never averaged a league average fastball velocity. his career high fastball velocity in a season was 2016 at 93mph. the average fastball velocity in 2019 was 93.4.
his career avg. velocity is 92.2mph and his average last year was 91.7mph. his average fastball velocity over his career has been 1.2mph slower than league average and he's "lost" a total of .5mph off his average fastball in 2019. he's not a power pitcher and he's not jered weaver throwing 82mph fastballs.
edit: forgot to post the links:
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/madison-bumgarner/5524/stats?position=P&data=pi
https://www.mlb.com/player/madison-bumgarner-518516

this board hates bumgarner, which is lunacy. dude got wrecked on an atv, then came back and got himself back into form. the guy threw 200 innings of sub 4 era ball, as he always seems to do, but the angels can't use that. i bet he has a better year next year, than this past year. if his team makes the playoffs watch him do what he always seems to do in big games, which is buckle down and deliver. 
i'd love to have a pitcher throw sub 4 ball and 200 innings for 5 years. 
i hope the angels do sign him, you sonsabitches!!!

this board hates bumgarner, which is lunacy. dude got wrecked on an atv, then came back and got himself back into form. the guy threw 200 innings of sub 4 era ball, as he always seems to do, but the angels can't use that. i bet he has a better year next year, than this past year. if his team makes the playoffs watch him do what he always seems to do in big games, which is buckle down and deliver. 
i'd love to have a pitcher throw sub 4 ball and 200 innings for 5 years. 
i hope the angels do sign him, you sonsabitches!!!

Bumgarner had a freak injury in 2018 and then came back and threw 200 innings last year. Angels need durable starting pitching. I'm all in on Bumgarner if I'm the angels. Regardless of cole. 

5 yr deal eh... thru age 35 season
Last year one of his most durable i must admit, 203K in 207 IP, maybe '18 was the anomaly.  Pairing him with Cole would be interesting. 
If we use the previously posted projections as a guide, (it wasnt that far off on Wheeler) youre looking at 18ish per so something like 5/90
Id be down for that i think, it fits, leave a little

Bumgarner would be an EXCELLENT third option behind Cole and Ohtani in our rotation. 

i think monday morning is going to be interesting.

i was just coming to delete my post. sorry about that. 

My 2 cents: 
This will not be about money. The Yankees and Angels will both be willing to offer whatever it takes. It’s going to be about where he wants to be. Period. 

i keep saying it over and over, but the angels need to keep marsh and adell. not only because they are clearly the two best prospects the angels have had for a good while, but also, most importantly, they are CHEAP for a good long while. that's how the angels can afford to go overbudget at the other positions. it is imperative they do not trade EITHER ONE.

I think wearing that Boras cap was pretty significant. I personally thought it was rude but calculated. He’s going to play for the team that pays him the most money and incentives. The Angels, Yankees and Dodgers all have an equal opportunity to do that. There is no favorite. The most lucrative deal will get him. There is no secret recipe. 

I fucking hate twitter.  

you said bumgarner is not even a middle of the rotation starter, that's patently ridiculous.
you're backtracking on your statement, which is fine, if you were overzealous in your wording, but directly implying bumgarner is a 4 or 5 is bull hockey.

you said bumgarner is not even a middle of the rotation starter, that's patently ridiculous.
you're backtracking on your statement, which is fine, if you were overzealous in your wording, but directly implying bumgarner is a 4 or 5 is bull hockey.

what a load of horseshit.
 
and then to follow that up with keuchel praise?