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We're already an embarrassment around the league as long as Arte owns this team, nothing's going to change because of these deadline deals when we had basically a 10% chance at the wild card.
I know this is an Angels fan board and as a long time fan of this team of course I want them to do well.  But there's just not a lot to be optimistic about on the horizon unfortunately, especially after this season is done.  I know a lot of people on this board don't care about farm system rankings or prospects, but we've seen how this has worked out over the last decade.  Sure, guys like Neto and O'Hoppe are nice but let's be honest with ourselves.  These aren't going to be some kind of game changing, franchise altering players.   Every SP we have has regressed this year and with Ohtani gone this rotation and lineup is going to look a lot more bleak.
This is also a super weak free agent year, so it's not like we can just patch everything up with throwing cash around.
 

We're already an embarrassment around the league as long as Arte owns this team, nothing's going to change because of these deadline deals when we had basically a 10% chance at the wild card.
I know this is an Angels fan board and as a long time fan of this team of course I want them to do well.  But there's just not a lot to be optimistic about on the horizon unfortunately, especially after this season is done.  I know a lot of people on this board don't care about farm system rankings or prospects, but we've seen how this has worked out over the last decade.  Sure, guys like Neto and O'Hoppe are nice but let's be honest with ourselves.  These aren't going to be some kind of game changing, franchise altering players.   Every SP we have has regressed this year and with Ohtani gone this rotation and lineup is going to look a lot more bleak.
This is also a super weak free agent year, so it's not like we can just patch everything up with throwing cash around.
 

We're already an embarrassment around the league as long as Arte owns this team, nothing's going to change because of these deadline deals when we had basically a 10% chance at the wild card.
I know this is an Angels fan board and as a long time fan of this team of course I want them to do well.  But there's just not a lot to be optimistic about on the horizon unfortunately, especially after this season is done.  I know a lot of people on this board don't care about farm system rankings or prospects, but we've seen how this has worked out over the last decade.  Sure, guys like Neto and O'Hoppe are nice but let's be honest with ourselves.  These aren't going to be some kind of game changing, franchise altering players.   Every SP we have has regressed this year and with Ohtani gone this rotation and lineup is going to look a lot more bleak.
This is also a super weak free agent year, so it's not like we can just patch everything up with throwing cash around.
 

Honestly worth it if Arte decides to sell

Again, we talk baseball - and that includes speculating on the future. I'm not attached to any particular outcome and hope that my concerns are unfounded. But raising concerns isn't inherently "doom-and-gloom," and considering these issues isn't "needlessly pedantic" (except insofar as talking about baseball at all, beyond screaming at the telly, is pedantic). I tend to take a wide range of perspectives and considerations, and don't overly focus on the negative or, on the other hand, be homeristic and rosy-tinged. I like to consider the possibilities from different angles. 
But you're right: We don't know how things will turn out. That doesn't invalidate my concerns, however. 
 

0-4 since I started this thread and got grilled for it.

The Angels are just not good at this healthy living thing. 

SEVEN straight losing seasons, only team in MLB the past 7 seasons, EMBARRASSING!

Who cares if they finish over .500? I mean I couldn’t care less about a consolation prize like that. So tired of the “well we tried” attitude. 

Why would any of these moves make any difference to Ohtani if we flame out and don't make the post season yet again?  Like he's gonna give us a participation ribbon for getting Giolito?
The dude is constantly saying he wants to win and that it's important to him, we haven't done shit in a decade.

Why would any of these moves make any difference to Ohtani if we flame out and don't make the post season yet again?  Like he's gonna give us a participation ribbon for getting Giolito?
The dude is constantly saying he wants to win and that it's important to him, we haven't done shit in a decade.

Why would any of these moves make any difference to Ohtani if we flame out and don't make the post season yet again?  Like he's gonna give us a participation ribbon for getting Giolito?
The dude is constantly saying he wants to win and that it's important to him, we haven't done shit in a decade.

Ohtani is not staying

How many times does Fletcher need to prove he is not a useful player before you believe it?

Comparing those lineups is kind of depressing

Comparing those lineups is kind of depressing

Same post different year.
 

Got a free year of MLB TV via T-Mobile.  Already had a VPN (Private Internet Access) subscription, so I just use that and set the location to either Silicon Valley or another US West site.
The only pain point is my living room has an Apple TV that I primarily use which doesn't support any VPN apps.  So I bought a shitty Amazon Fire stick and just downloaded my VPN app on it if I want to watch Angels games on my actual TV.
Overall pretty pain free, but like another poster said you'll probably have to switch VPN locations occasionally as they get wise and update their blacklists.

Got a free year of MLB TV via T-Mobile.  Already had a VPN (Private Internet Access) subscription, so I just use that and set the location to either Silicon Valley or another US West site.
The only pain point is my living room has an Apple TV that I primarily use which doesn't support any VPN apps.  So I bought a shitty Amazon Fire stick and just downloaded my VPN app on it if I want to watch Angels games on my actual TV.
Overall pretty pain free, but like another poster said you'll probably have to switch VPN locations occasionally as they get wise and update their blacklists.

Got a free year of MLB TV via T-Mobile.  Already had a VPN (Private Internet Access) subscription, so I just use that and set the location to either Silicon Valley or another US West site.
The only pain point is my living room has an Apple TV that I primarily use which doesn't support any VPN apps.  So I bought a shitty Amazon Fire stick and just downloaded my VPN app on it if I want to watch Angels games on my actual TV.
Overall pretty pain free, but like another poster said you'll probably have to switch VPN locations occasionally as they get wise and update their blacklists.

It's mostly the "hired gun" mentality, he's just a talking head with no real investment (other than financially) in the Angels success 

It's mostly the "hired gun" mentality, he's just a talking head with no real investment (other than financially) in the Angels success 

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