Reveille1984

It is hard to say. There is very little talent on the farm - a few guys here and there, but no one who looks like a sure thing to even be an average major league regular (unless we count Schanuel and maybe Rada).
But in terms of developtment philosophies and such, we won't know for a few years until it starts paying dividends (or not). Meaning, there isn't really any way to assess the type of stuff you mentioned, at least in the short term. Ultimately the proof is in the pudding, and add in the fact that Minasian traded away a good chunk of the better prospects, it will likely take several years to get a sense of things. 

They’re not really going to do this slow leak whining bullshit about how “actually it was hard to have Ohtani” Jesus shut the fuck up. 
 
also Dylan Hernandez is a huge loser and I hate him.  

I'm just hoping they make the playoffs again before I exit this world. 

Angels fans have 0 reason to be upset with Ohtani. The dude simply wants to play on a winning team. Does it suck that he left? Hell yes it does. 
The only person to blame is the owner for not having a talented enough organization to compete and make him want to stay. 

He gets a lot of crap on here but he is 100% correct. This organization is a mess because of Arte, one of the worst owners in sports and comparable to Dan Snyder, sans the sexual assault.

There's having an emotional attachment and there's being completely irrational and overreacting.  Again, why would anyone actually be mad at Ohtani for this?  Emotional attachment or not, what rational human being would expect him to turn down a deal like that and "stay loyal" (or whatever you want to call it) to the Angels?  Be mad at Arte for not giving him the deal.  That would still be wildly irrational, but maybe somewhat more understandable.

No, I'm not talking about Shohei wearing a Dodgers uniform. I've never lived in Orange County, so I don't own that particular brand of Angels fan jealous butthurt. I'm talking about where the Angels are now: They just lost the best player in baseball with nothing to show for it; and in fact, lost some of their best prospects in a vain attempt to make the playoffs and earn his love. They're like a dude who empties his bank account to buy an extravagant gift for his girlfriend, loses the girlfriend but she takes the gift with her (and starts dating his better looking, smarter, more successful nemesis).
Back in June or July, when talk about a hypothetical Shohei trade heated up, I speculated that there were three or four possible scenarios. I don't know how I phrased it as it was spread across weeks and in various discussions, but if I remember correctly (and with the benefit of hindsight), it was something like this:
Best: The stars align and Shohei and the Angels (with Trout and Rendon returning from injury) fight their way into the playoffs. Shohei signs long-term, and the Angels return to perennial contention with a youth movement building around Ohtani, Trout, and Rendon.
Not so bad A: Shohei is traded, the Angels farm is replenished, and the youth movement commences, led by old man Trout (and hopefully a healthier Rendon).
Not so bad B: The Angels don't trade Shohei but miss the playoffs, but Shohei stays and Perry builds around him.
Worst: The Angels don't trade Shohei, go all-in on the playoffs but miss out. Shohei leaves. 
So yeah, this is the worst-case scenario. The Angels shot for "best" and got "worst," and somehow managed to make worse even worser by trading away their best prospect and a handful of other prospects for what amounted to absolutely zilch: no playoffs, no Shohei, and an empty farm. Oh, and to add insult to injury, they couldn't even catch a bit of luck in the draft lottery.
In hindsight, it really looks like they should have gone for "Not so bad A". That's what I and others advocated for in July, even though I did understand Perry's reasoning behind going for it. But what happened happened, and it failed spectacularly.
To illustrate how bad "worst" is, consider that if they had gone for "Not so bad A," right now they would they still have Quero, Crow, Albright etc, but also a handful of other good prospects - even one or two top 50 guys. Now, well, there's no Shohei and the farm is as barren as it was back in the Dipoto era. 
I honestly have no idea what the Angels plan on doing. Presumably Arte wants to contend. They have about $70M to spend (ironic) and have picked up a couple no-name relievers. Maybe they go after Yamamoto and/or Snell. I fear a Bellinger "splash" which has high belly-flop potential (wouldn't that be almost deliciously ironic: Shohei in Dodgers blue and the Angels compensation is...Cody Bellinger). Or Arte could play it frugal - that wouldn't surprise me, either, at this point.
But it is hard to imagine a positive near or even mid-term future. I suppose the optimist in me says that the youth movement could be better than expected. Trout could finally be healthy and Rendon comes to spring with a chip on his shoulder (which Ron Washington seems to be trying to manufacture). Taylor Ward could have found God and be ready to mash. Silseth, Sandoval, Detmers, etc...it could all click. Who nows, maybe losing Shohei is what the team needs to actualize its potential. It could happen, folks! Meaning, this isn't the Rockies. It. could be the Orioles or Rangers...right? Right?!?!

Nice to see who the absolute children on the board are.  Lol at being big mad at someone who signed by far the most lucrative contract in baseball history.  Grow up, babies.

I’m going to get shit on for this, but there is NO way in hell he will be worth that. None. 

Time for Arte to snell out the cash.

Pretty much how I feel.  If you sign both Ohtani and Snell, at least for 2024, you're basically where you were in 2023, with Snell's pitching replicating Ohtani's pitching--but you're paying, what, probably $70M+ for the same production you paid $30M for in 2023. 

I would be far more encouraged by this argument if this weren't an organization with a history of throwing big money at declining stars, ignoring the farm system and doing everything on the cheap. The chief difference is that the Rangers are well run, something that no one would accuse the Angels of. They also have an excellent farm system, which has yielded important pieces of the team.

Bellinger is definitely going to get paid.  He's still only 28 and the FA class is one of the weakest in years.
Unfortunately he seems like just the type of player that Arte would throw a bag at if we lose Ohtani.  Hopefully Minasian can reign him in.

Bellinger is definitely going to get paid.  He's still only 28 and the FA class is one of the weakest in years.
Unfortunately he seems like just the type of player that Arte would throw a bag at if we lose Ohtani.  Hopefully Minasian can reign him in.

Haha. No chance. Zero.

We might have had a winning record with Counsell. Yes I'm serious. 

Until Roger Lodge mentions there's certain cars in the parking lot, I won't get too excited about any annoucements.

Oh, and congrats @Angel Oracle for self banning from IT. 

I have about 10 years in IT, can't wait for another 25... 😬

I have about 10 years in IT, can't wait for another 25... 😬

I have about 10 years in IT, can't wait for another 25... 😬

Mine, that is.
35.5 years in IT
Freedom!

Arte figuring out who to blame for the teams failures every year

Somewhere, a poster sheds a tear.