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Virtually every season in recent memory weve had to post and read this... you could have posted this in any number of the last 5-10 years, in fact i think you have.  THATS the perspective. 
 

Virtually every season in recent memory weve had to post and read this... you could have posted this in any number of the last 5-10 years, in fact i think you have.  THATS the perspective. 
 

Virtually every season in recent memory weve had to post and read this... you could have posted this in any number of the last 5-10 years, in fact i think you have.  THATS the perspective. 
 

Virtually every season in recent memory weve had to post and read this... you could have posted this in any number of the last 5-10 years, in fact i think you have.  THATS the perspective. 
 

Put yourself in the shoes of the other side, do you make that deal straight up?  I dont think any of them would.

This probably should be its own thread but as spring goes on im starting to winder if the guys that were signed as "depth" might end up more than that.
We had a lineup earlier in spring that had Urshela and Drury as the starting middle infield and so far both of the are outhitting the presumed starters.
I know its a defensive dropoff, especially at SS, that might be a bit much to handle but i wonder would the offensive bump make sense?
even Lamb is outdueling Walsh so far but i dont think they will make that change too quickly. 

Can we please keep the personal or political shit off this board... thanks

Hes included as the PTBNL

Hes included as the PTBNL

I think you could argue he was signed for more than that, but it was definitely a factor. 

I was honestly very bothered by his comments.
Im down on him right now so its entirely possible im misreading it but "wed like to" ?!?!?! 
Not well make every effort" or "well do what it takes"... just, "wed like to"... seriously?
Thats not reassuring in the the least. 
This has to get settled on way or another before opening day.  Extend him or trade him, but do it now. 
 

I was honestly very bothered by his comments.
Im down on him right now so its entirely possible im misreading it but "wed like to" ?!?!?! 
Not well make every effort" or "well do what it takes"... just, "wed like to"... seriously?
Thats not reassuring in the the least. 
This has to get settled on way or another before opening day.  Extend him or trade him, but do it now. 
 

There is little doubt we are better than last year, and that we raised the bottom of our projections, to suggest otherwise is idiotic.
Did we raise to top end?  If so how much?  Enough to actually content for the post season?  Those are the real questions.  Most, including myself, do not think we did.  Were not likely a sub 500 team, but were also no likely a 90+ win one, not as we stand today.  
There is still time, maybe Perry pulls some moves now that the ownership issues isnt a question, maybe by opening day were much better still there is certainly room to make additions that can affect that... but right now at this moment, no, were on the outside looking in barring a near perfect season.
Baseball people are pissed at Moreno i think, and in my opinion rightfully so.  They want Trout and Ohtani to play relevant baseball as much as we do i think for the most part.  AS a result were getting blasted... and we deserve it. 
 

Arent we all?

Not at all, i dont really care whose in the owners box as long as he makes the effort to win.
Arte to date, at least in recent years, hasnt done that, but if he does ill be fine with it.
And before anyone asks, no, spending alone isnt trying to win when you leave gaps on the roster and the job incomplete.  

Not at all, i dont really care whose in the owners box as long as he makes the effort to win.
Arte to date, at least in recent years, hasnt done that, but if he does ill be fine with it.
And before anyone asks, no, spending alone isnt trying to win when you leave gaps on the roster and the job incomplete.  

There is little doubt we are better than last year, and that we raised the bottom of our projections, to suggest otherwise is idiotic.
Did we raise to top end?  If so how much?  Enough to actually content for the post season?  Those are the real questions.  Most, including myself, do not think we did.  Were not likely a sub 500 team, but were also no likely a 90+ win one, not as we stand today.  
There is still time, maybe Perry pulls some moves now that the ownership issues isnt a question, maybe by opening day were much better still there is certainly room to make additions that can affect that... but right now at this moment, no, were on the outside looking in barring a near perfect season.
Baseball people are pissed at Moreno i think, and in my opinion rightfully so.  They want Trout and Ohtani to play relevant baseball as much as we do i think for the most part.  AS a result were getting blasted... and we deserve it. 
 

Simple, finish the job.
Him staying could be a good thing, i dont think hes sticking around to continue to flounder that will only hurt the value later on. 
Weve come a long way in many ways, the farm isnt top rated but its get a lot where it counts in terms of pipeline guys, Trash Pandas were one of the better MiLB teams which speaks well for the future... but where he has failed is refusing to finish the job at the ML level.
You cant give three guys half the payroll then cry budget, its not logical, is like driving a Lambo and complaining about gas. 
We continue to go into season after season with as many questions as answers on the big league roster.
Extend Ohtani, trade for a legit SS, sign some bullpen parts, and accept that the tax is inevitable for a few years if you want to actually compete. 

Simple, finish the job.
Him staying could be a good thing, i dont think hes sticking around to continue to flounder that will only hurt the value later on. 
Weve come a long way in many ways, the farm isnt top rated but its get a lot where it counts in terms of pipeline guys, Trash Pandas were one of the better MiLB teams which speaks well for the future... but where he has failed is refusing to finish the job at the ML level.
You cant give three guys half the payroll then cry budget, its not logical, is like driving a Lambo and complaining about gas. 
We continue to go into season after season with as many questions as answers on the big league roster.
Extend Ohtani, trade for a legit SS, sign some bullpen parts, and accept that the tax is inevitable for a few years if you want to actually compete. 

Well, i dont know what to make of that.
If hes pulling back because the truly wants to win... great.
If its posturing to get better offers or whatever, were fucked.

Well, i dont know what to make of that.
If hes pulling back because the truly wants to win... great.
If its posturing to get better offers or whatever, were fucked.

Great writeup, bravo. 
Im cautiously optimistic... certainly better, but good enough to be more than a WC hopeful... thats the real question. 
I just dont think they did enough in the BP or at SS.

Hes had every chance to win the job outright and simply hasnt gotten it done.
This does not speak well to his maturity, he somehow fels he deserves something he has not earned. 
He had to know this would send a message, and its the wrong one.

I think you could argue he was signed for more than that, but it was definitely a factor. 

Its not going to happen, no matter who thinks it should.. Perry talks about makeup and clubhouse too much to even consider it, which many will agree with.
I just want this team to win something more than the miss congeniality pageant.