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It does seem fair to speculate whether or not Moreno is stuck in limbo trying to decide what he wants to do, but I really can’t find anything that isn’t speculation that actually directly supports that.

What I will say is the Angels have a PR problem.  Having everyone always speculating rather than knowing a direction/philosophy isn’t doing this team any favors.

You can’t be responsible for reacting to every speculation, but you should have strong enough messaging where the most of the speculation is dismissed as invalid because it’s not consistent with the strong messaging.

What is Arte doing?  We don’t know.  That is at the heart of all of this.

48 minutes ago, jeskola said:

Cabbage is 45 and hasn't fought since 2016. 

 

wait what forum am I in ?

 

I am not sure this guy should have a nickname that basically means “salad.”

Every time I visit AW hoping to see some good news, the first image I see is this.  It is starting to almost be a punishing meme, a repetitive moment where I am reminded of my own mood and frustration with nothing happening of significance to improve the team.

58 minutes ago, Taylor said:

 

 

This is technically incorrect since the team has not improved at all.  Wouldn’t you have to improve at least a little to even make the list?

21 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

As of August, he wouldn't sell.

6 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

 

If Arte decided to sell, it is at least conceivable that a transaction could happen relatively fast. . . if there was a front runner from the last cycle that is still interested.

5 hours ago, Tank said:

not by any metric you want to use.

Not true.  You are evidently completely ignoring Lorenzen’s CAE+ at 154.

(Caught Angel1961’s Eye)

44 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

When was the last time this many key  FAs were unsigned this late in the off-season?

Yesterday

On 1/5/2024 at 12:02 AM, EDinTUSTIN said:

He is truly the last home-grown superstar from our organization

Just curious, but exactly how many “home-grown superstars” do you expect to have at any given time?

7 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

I have been consistent on wanting to wait and see how young players develop. Then you can see where they are at and add players. Looks like what Angels are doing is just that. Why are you upset with my opinion because that is all it is. Many on AW have said the same thing. Halos are now in punt formation look at what Chuck just posted. Better opportunities for TOR pitcher next off season. Patience for halo fans this season enjoy watching young players develop without all the hoopla of what will happen to Ohtani. 

I not “upset” with your opinion.  Everyone wants the young guys to play and develop.  I just disagree that that it is smarter to “punt” on 2024 rather than attempt to add some productive pieces to have a fighting chance in 2024.  And I just  being direct and honest that I very much doubt you would actually support spending money next year.

2 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Not doubting you at all. But what would the source connected to Perry have to gain by giving you this information? Just wondering if they're trying to purposely keep things close to the chest.

Maybe they are friends that trust each other?

9 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Maybe instead of trading Rengifo you sign him to an extension. Have him one of pieces with young players to build around and in 2 years be competitive. Save your money and invest next off season. 

I would bet a good amount of money there is no way on earth you are going to support the team spending money on premium free agents next season.  Nobody believes you because it’s not in your DNA.  Could you maybe spare us the phoniness?

4 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

IF they are going to start some sort of rebuild

“START some sort of rebuild”?

Dude, they are mostly done with the “rebuild” that is somehow invisible to you.

6 of the 8 position players are young guys with upside.  Four of the five starters are in the same category and you have a few good young live arms for the bullpen.

At this point in the process, you supplement the team with the few additional players needed to be competitive.

Sometimes, the success year happens a year earlier than people think.  That could be 2024, so you don’t punt on 2024.

The timing of the success of this rebuild will fall on how much/how many of all these young players take significant steps forward this season.

3 minutes ago, nando714 said:

its time to finally re build

Yeah, they should trade Neto for a young shortstop.  And Schanuel for a young first baseman.  And Rengifo for a young infielder.  And Adell for a young outfielder, hopefully with some power.  And Ohoppe for a young catcher.  And Bachman and Joyce for some live young arms for the bullpen.  And trade Sandoval, Detmers, Canning and Silseth for some controllable starting pitching.

What are they waiting for?

31 minutes ago, Stradling said:

What a bad contract. He struck out 211 times last year.  He had a 106 OPS+ this year. Jesus Taylor Ward could fetch us a shit ton. 

Yes please 

Adding to the FRONT of the rotation is the best way for the Angels to be relevant in 2024.  You can go a long way with excellent starters, even with a club flawed in many other ways.

3 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

 

 

But they don’t have to pay the airlines until 2034.

16 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Anything halos would get could help their farm system

Right.  Just like classic car collectors low on inventory should load up on 2014 Honda Civics.

1 minute ago, Angels 1961 said:

I do not complain about being mediocre, they are not that good. I'm for adding young players to ones they have and building around them. I'm against long term contracts as they have not worked. My direction for this has been the same build around young players. Adding huge payroll to this team in my opinion is dumb. Adding players to 1 year deal that you can flip at deadline is what I would do. Angels missed a golden opportunity by not trading Ohtani. 

Oh I get it now.  Sign Brandon Belt and then trade him for two top 100 prospects at the deadline.  Now it makes sense.

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Bellinger would solve outfield quality depth, he plays great defense at 1st and CF, he bats from the left side, he’s 28.  Again for 6 years I would do it. 

It seems a little weird that a 28 year old would consider a 6 year deal.  Who PLANS to hit free agency at 34?

1 hour ago, Angels 1961 said:

I think Snell goes to Yankees and Bellinger to Cubs. Anderson, Belt, A Chapman and Clevenger and I would sign Woodruff. These are types that end up with halos.

I love how you complain about being stuck in a purgatory of being mediocre and yet every suggestion you have is more or less doubling down on being mediocre.

2 hours ago, CartiHalos said:

In theory I don't hate it, but I think we're not in a position to make the playoffs next year anyway so more than likely Burnes ends up leaving in free agency and we're stuck with 4 more years of overpaying Yelich. It would be nice to just not be overpaying anyone for a change.

You don’t think a team with an adequate offense and a rotation of:

Snell, Burnes, Detmers, Sandoval, Canning, with depth of Anderson and Silseth

can be a contend-for-the-postseason team?

23 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I would but blarg is going to scold you. 

Maybe.  But it’s defendable.  If the team wants to punt on being competitive for a year or two then you don’t do this.  But the consensus opinion is the team intends to be competitive now. So how do you do that best without killing or really hurting the developmental movement?

If you made a deal like this to get Burnes, trade Ward for more pitching and heck go ahead and sign Snell. . . You add about $66m to the payroll, stay under the luxury tax, and you suddenly have a stacked rotation and you try to win by being dominant and deep in the starting rotation with a functional offense.

And this really does not cost the Angels any prospects or controllable young players (except Ward, who is not all that young anymore, and you can assume they would be moving him for someone they could at least control for more than 2024.)

So what is the real downside other than spending some money BELOW the luxury tax to improve the team?

The Angels absolutely do not want to trade away any good young players.

Would anyone be interested in improving the team for 2024 by trading for Burnes by taking in the Yelich contract?

Yelich has five years and $120m remaining ($23.9m per year), and was a 4.1 WAR player last year.

We could all speculate how the details would be worked out but it at least appears that marrying Burnes to Yelich would facilitate someone acquiring Burnes.

Burnes is projected to get about $15m in arbitration.  If he was a free agent, what would the Angels pay him on a one-year contract?  $25m?

If the Angels acquire a pitcher that has $10m in value for 2024, that effectively makes the cost for Yelich 5 years $110m, or $22m per year.  While that isn’t a steal by any stretch, it’s digestible.

The points of criticism for this kind of transaction are surely money related.  But the Angels don’t have many options to improve by other means.

Further, if you had Yelich, that frees up someone like Ward to move in a deal elsewhere to improve the team some other way.

Anyway, it is at least notable that taking the Yelich contract matches up with acquiring Burnes. . . and there isn’t much else to talk about.

45 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

Per Baseball America, the #Angels are expected to sign #8 ranked SS Joswa Lugo. This would be the first top 10 international player we've signed since Ohtani. 

 

 

This is the biggest Angel move of the offseason so far (Ohtani signing with the Dodgers is a Dodger move, not an Angel move).