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5 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

No problem 

I do know that the AAV calculated against the tax threshold is $46 million/season.

That is still a bit of a deterrent. 

I do wonder how much interest will accumulate on the $680 million owed Ohtani starting ten years from now.

It’s all crazy money to normal people like you and me.  But don’t you think $46m a year for Ohtani is actually not all that shocking, given his two-way productions and massive, massive marketing appeal?

Just now, T.G. said:

Look I am just saying the dollar amount of $700m only looks “ridiculous” if you fully ignore the real world math of the deferment.

I personally it’s think it’s a fair point.

Just now, Angel Oracle said:

although $700 million is ridiculous.

Not picking at YOU personally but I find it a bit “off” for fans to keep citing the $700m future payment obligation in any context that views it or compares it to a contract without a deferment.

It’s really for current conversation purposes a ten year $460m(ish) deal.

Just now, jsnpritchett said:

Just kidding...

But, yeah, I just get tired of people whining about what the Dodgers did or trying to come up with some way to penalize them for doing something that's 100% acceptable and approved within the current MLB system. 

Agreed.  You can’t complain about what was available to every team.  Every team FULLY understands that deferred money is an option.

Would these same complaining Angel fans really want the Angels to have a $70m cash obligation for ten consecutive years to a retired player?

39 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

JT strikes me as a guy who wants to win. Not a surprise he's going to Toronto

JT strikes me as a guy that wants $14.5 million dollars.

Wow, jsnpriitchett and I have agreement on a few consecutive comments.

Maybe he doesn’t completely loathe me as a human being after all?

17 hours ago, Stradling said:

Or all deferred money must include interest or it’s a 100% hit against the cap, which would mean $70 million a year now. Last could be it’s a hit against the tax during the contract AND during deferrals. 

The negotiation clearly mathematically includes interest.  And mlb has a set interest rate standard calculation to properly VALUE the compensation in todays dollars in order to properly include the most accurate amount in the current salary tax calculations.

You seem to be asking for something that is already 100% employed.

33 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Again, it's not a "loophole".  The process for deferrals is clearly established and other teams have done it (though obviously not to this degree).

Yes exactly.  They didn’t find a loophole.

The Dodgers found a player that uniquely didn’t really have any need for immediate cash flow from salary.

And Ohtani found an organization that can fearlessly financially absorb the eventual mismatch of paying that level of deferment to a retired player no longer producing for them on the field.

So it’s not some newly found loophole.  It’s just the perfect relationship to execute what has already been done of tons of times, just done to an extreme because both parties can uniquely accept the extreme nature of the deal.

6 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

I do not think Angels will be signing a DH. Looks like Perry is not going to spend a lot on position players.

I almost feel compelled to post something after your broken record posts, just to save the next thread viewer from the painful, disappointing gut punch letdown of seeing your comment as the most recent addition to a discussion.

10 hours ago, Taylor said:

bravely took a knee

Grossly insensitive to Native Americans.

6 minutes ago, bruin5 said:

I’m sure someone else probably mentioned this, but anyone else get the feeling that Arte is trying to recoup the salary tax paid last year by limiting spending this year?

Not hard to recoup a zero dollar expense.  He paid no tax last year.

21 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

I’m just glad I probably don’t have to worry about Washington repeatedly calling him “Hicksey”

On 1/28/2024 at 8:50 AM, tdawg87 said:

Schanuel will fall somewhere between Jake Bauers and Mickey Mantle IMO

As long as he doesn’t fall somewhere between Casey Kotchman and JT Snow.

Exactly how many of the 94 players ranked ahead of Schanuel would you trade him straight up for?

The answer is exactly where he should be correctly ranked.

1 hour ago, Angels in 2030 said:

 

I'm all for adding both Lorenzo & Clevenger. 

 

Lorenzo says yes.

19 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

Only on one year deals.

Yeah, and pro-rated for just the nine months of baseball.

10 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Winger

No, Wenger

A healthy OHoppe catching well and hitting well is extremely exciting.  I have always been enamored with the advantage of having a potent bat attached to an excellent defensive catcher.

What a luxury.

Genger 

Wenger

15 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Clevenger

The Angels need a for sure theng, someone that doesn’t geve up dengers, so ef you want to fenger a target, you should seng the praises of a real renger.

Es that really Clevenger?

51 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

For me sign Votto and Tim Anderson and halos be done for this off season.

Fixed.

57 minutes ago, AngelStew43 said:

Tony Conigliaro.  Bad beaning, directly in the eye.  Retired from the Angels in '71, I think, after an 0-5 or 0-6 all K game against the A's, IIRC. 

What is IIRC?

Oh wait, I remember.

1 hour ago, jsnpritchett said:

Little-known fact: the correct word in a case like this is "trouper".

The period goes inside the quotation mark.

1 hour ago, Erstad Grit said:

I can't think of a MLB player who got hit in the head and never mentally recovered. I can think of some pitchers who got the yips. 

Tony Conigliaro