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This feels like the most halo deal ever... a signing a guy that had a worse year than what we already have and paying him more than what we pay the guys we have.
I dont see the sense in this one at all... whatever it is they think they see i hope it works out as thats a large chunk to pay for what could be a downgrade. 

This feels like the most halo deal ever... a signing a guy that had a worse year than what we already have and paying him more than what we pay the guys we have.
I dont see the sense in this one at all... whatever it is they think they see i hope it works out as thats a large chunk to pay for what could be a downgrade. 

This feels like the most halo deal ever... a signing a guy that had a worse year than what we already have and paying him more than what we pay the guys we have.
I dont see the sense in this one at all... whatever it is they think they see i hope it works out as thats a large chunk to pay for what could be a downgrade. 

This feels like the most halo deal ever... a signing a guy that had a worse year than what we already have and paying him more than what we pay the guys we have.
I dont see the sense in this one at all... whatever it is they think they see i hope it works out as thats a large chunk to pay for what could be a downgrade. 

This feels like the most halo deal ever... a signing a guy that had a worse year than what we already have and paying him more than what we pay the guys we have.
I dont see the sense in this one at all... whatever it is they think they see i hope it works out as thats a large chunk to pay for what could be a downgrade. 

This feels like the most halo deal ever... a signing a guy that had a worse year than what we already have and paying him more than what we pay the guys we have.
I dont see the sense in this one at all... whatever it is they think they see i hope it works out as thats a large chunk to pay for what could be a downgrade. 

Personally, im mixed.  No question there is a ton of baseball knowledge there and perhaps more importantly the ability to impart it, obviously good things, but also a lot of baggage.  I wasnt psyched about when i read it due to a lot of that the idea but thats moot now so ill support him.
I do think it likely speaks well to the overall direction.
Well see where it goes from here. 
I will say this, those who are ok with some of the baggage issues around him should be the same about other players as well. 

Personally, im mixed.  No question there is a ton of baseball knowledge there and perhaps more importantly the ability to impart it, obviously good things, but also a lot of baggage.  I wasnt psyched about when i read it due to a lot of that the idea but thats moot now so ill support him.
I do think it likely speaks well to the overall direction.
Well see where it goes from here. 
I will say this, those who are ok with some of the baggage issues around him should be the same about other players as well. 

Baseball and the MLB media have no one to blame but themselves... the foam at the mouth constantly talking about the same teams while ignoring the bulk of the league so when the also rans have success they generated no interest in them.
MLB network might as well be YES 2 most of the time when it should be going out of its way to talk about the entire league.. but that doesnt help their ratings, and thats all that matters even when they shoot themselves in the foot 

I think this is a subpar class as a whole and the quality will get hugely over paid due to lack of depth. 
Worst possible time to be buyers, and yet thats still our only path. 

I think this is a subpar class as a whole and the quality will get hugely over paid due to lack of depth. 
Worst possible time to be buyers, and yet thats still our only path. 

Baseball and the MLB media have no one to blame but themselves... the foam at the mouth constantly talking about the same teams while ignoring the bulk of the league so when the also rans have success they generated no interest in them.
MLB network might as well be YES 2 most of the time when it should be going out of its way to talk about the entire league.. but that doesnt help their ratings, and thats all that matters even when they shoot themselves in the foot 

Baseball and the MLB media have no one to blame but themselves... the foam at the mouth constantly talking about the same teams while ignoring the bulk of the league so when the also rans have success they generated no interest in them.
MLB network might as well be YES 2 most of the time when it should be going out of its way to talk about the entire league.. but that doesnt help their ratings, and thats all that matters even when they shoot themselves in the foot 

Im glad to see them there if for no other reason than to reward the effort they made and the money they spent. 
It was for them the only path to it in the short term, as is the case for us, and they took it whereas we did not. 
I will pull for them to win it all at this point frankly for that same reason, they deserve it for the effort made. 

Im glad to see them there if for no other reason than to reward the effort they made and the money they spent. 
It was for them the only path to it in the short term, as is the case for us, and they took it whereas we did not. 
I will pull for them to win it all at this point frankly for that same reason, they deserve it for the effort made. 

Its a tough one, i thin k its Acuna but its close.
Acuna led his team in virtually every category... Betts/Freeman split them largely. 
Betts versatility gives hm the edge over Freeman to me, but i put Acuna #1, Betts #2, Freeman #3

Pull up a chair youll be waitng a very long time.  I gave up on this forum years ago and youre still necroing this shit? 
do me a favor, hold your breath ill get right on it.... 

More than it already is from a PR standpoint?
Maybe it needs to get shaken... it isnt just about one guy, its about winning, and were not doing that.  If Arte isnt going to do what it takes then whats the point of locking Trout into insignificance in baseball history?  Hes given his all to this club, maybe we need to do him a solid.
Whatever the issues are this club needs a reset worse than any ive ever seen in 50 years watching this game.  Were a literal laughing stock even with Trout and Ohtani, how could it get worse without them? 

He has already said there will be conversations, what did you think they would be about? 
Its literally the first time i can recall that he didnt do exactly as you said, thats telling. 
No one wants to believe or even consider that the club might open next year without Ohtani or Trout, but right now i would say thats maybe 50/50 in terms of chances.

Weve already hit it for me.
So many mistakes, mismanagement issues, seemingly running on a laptop instead of actual baseball knowledge, where does it even end?  Ive been a fan since the late 70s, and ive never been lower on this team or the game as a whole than i am now. 
I would rather go back to the little market Autry days than continue this pathetic disgrace of the last few years. 
Seeing Trout and Ohtani play, in loss after loss, does absolutely nothing for me. 

There are a solid handful of good stories left, Atl and a few more, but half the league is openly tanking and the other half is playing moneyball.
The business of baseball has ruined the game of baseball, and our owner is a pure businessman. 

Weve already hit it for me.
So many mistakes, mismanagement issues, seemingly running on a laptop instead of actual baseball knowledge, where does it even end?  Ive been a fan since the late 70s, and ive never been lower on this team or the game as a whole than i am now. 
I would rather go back to the little market Autry days than continue this pathetic disgrace of the last few years. 
Seeing Trout and Ohtani play, in loss after loss, does absolutely nothing for me. 

There are a solid handful of good stories left, Atl and a few more, but half the league is openly tanking and the other half is playing moneyball.
The business of baseball has ruined the game of baseball, and our owner is a pure businessman. 

Weve already hit it for me.
So many mistakes, mismanagement issues, seemingly running on a laptop instead of actual baseball knowledge, where does it even end?  Ive been a fan since the late 70s, and ive never been lower on this team or the game as a whole than i am now. 
I would rather go back to the little market Autry days than continue this pathetic disgrace of the last few years. 
Seeing Trout and Ohtani play, in loss after loss, does absolutely nothing for me. 

There are a solid handful of good stories left, Atl and a few more, but half the league is openly tanking and the other half is playing moneyball.
The business of baseball has ruined the game of baseball, and our owner is a pure businessman. 

Weve already hit it for me.
So many mistakes, mismanagement issues, seemingly running on a laptop instead of actual baseball knowledge, where does it even end?  Ive been a fan since the late 70s, and ive never been lower on this team or the game as a whole than i am now. 
I would rather go back to the little market Autry days than continue this pathetic disgrace of the last few years. 
Seeing Trout and Ohtani play, in loss after loss, does absolutely nothing for me. 

There are a solid handful of good stories left, Atl and a few more, but half the league is openly tanking and the other half is playing moneyball.
The business of baseball has ruined the game of baseball, and our owner is a pure businessman. 

If anything you should know by now im not afraid to speak my mind... i just see no point when the leanings of most here are clear. 
 

One one hand, yeah, you love to see it... someone that actually gives a damn. 
On the other, its a really really poor look for the franchise that he has to do that. 
Im not going to play the they are professionals thing... it goes without saying, but i also recall a scene towards the end of the old "North Dallas Forty" movie where a player went off saying it still needs to be a game over a business... and quite frankly i think thats where a lot of these guys are.
The joy of the game just looks... gone.  Trout was a different guy in the WBC than he was when he got back for example, and i think losing, falling short, whatever you want to call it has taken a toll on these guys.
Blame whatever, injuries, ... it doesnt matter really the outcome is the same.
I dont know if they are disheartened, tired, given up checked out or just beaten down by this seasons failures and maybe more than just the season for many of them.
Something needs to change... something MUST change