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Anyone have any actual details or are we all just getting irrationally angry for no reason?

2 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

He's probably pissed at whoever leaked the information to the media. 

Plus Arte seems like the type of guy that when an agreement is made, he doesn't like anyone backing out of it. 

Yeah, considering it's the Jon Heyman, Jeff Passan, and Bob Nightingale's of the press who has been fed a shit-ton of information on this, it's obviously out of the Angels'/Eppler's hands which I'm sure is annoying.  "Hey, Angels, wait until the big boys finish and you can get around to your deal".  

27 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

that's a huge hit.  that rotation is now very thin.  

2 minutes ago, totdprods said:

I think the Angels are in great shape if they hold onto Pederson, rely on a very deep offense, and gamble on the deep stable of SP in-house to produce. If folks simply stay healthy in the rotation for once, they’ll be a very good group. Plenty of options to cycle through and see who sticks. It all comes back to health.

Eppler will have a ton of flexibility as the season goes on to upgrade - either by promoting Adell, and perhaps Thaiss or Marsh to help the offense, or by trading big prospects to bring in needed frontline pitching, or even selling off vets for more prospects should they feel that’s the best (and unlikeliest) route. 
 

I think one the best side effects of this deal, besides adding two quality players like Pederson and Stripling, is that it eliminates the perception of desperation of Eppler's need to acquire SP.  Now, he can rightly point to a deep (in terms of number of pitchers) and talented rotation as "we're set" while continuing to let the market play out for upgrades.

6 minutes ago, Stradling said:

 

It will be real interesting to see if Pederson is spun off for additional pitching or not.  Let's operate under the assumption that Stripling is coming back as part of the deal, that leaves a potential rotation of:

1. Stripling

2. Heaney

3. Teheran

4. Bundy

5. Ohtani/Canning

with Andriese, Pena, Sandoval, Barria, Suarez and Peters as either long relief or swing starter.  Is that enough?  Probably not but it's a hell of a lot better than last season and I think you can see the rotation is also being built with the bullpen in mind as well since there are guys who can pitch multiple innings a few times a week.

I combine Canning and Ohtani together since I can see Eppler/Angels really taking it easy with those two and likely having a gaps in their starts.  With Ohtani considered the 26th man on the roster, that leaves Stripling, Heaney, Teheran, Bundy, Canning, Andriese, and Pena (when healthy, with Peters likely filling in) as starters and long relief and Robles, Buttrey, Bedrosian, Anderson, Ramirez and Middleton giving them 14 pitchers (including Ohtani).  

Now, with Joc added to the equation, the lineup looks like:

1.  Fletcher 2B

2. Trout CF

3.  Ohtani DH

4. Rendon 3B

5. Pederson RF

6. Upton LF

7. Simmons SS

8. Pujols/LaStella 1B

9.  Castro C

Bench: Stassi and Goodwin    

Damn, that's a pretty stout roster.

Angels are definitely still going to explore ways to upgrade the rotation as they need a 1/2 type if they can be had but they are less desperate now and can be patient in exploring their options.

1 minute ago, FabulousFabregas said:

Got to trade Marsh or Addell for a top line pitcher now.

Why?  They don't have to do anything with either of them except start them in AAA next season.

Pederson can shuffle between OF, 1B, and DH and now Thaiss and Goodwin are available in trades.

I have to imagine this is a precursor to something else

2 minutes ago, mymerlincat said:

 

1 minute ago, mymerlincat said:

 

It will be interesting see how much money Boston is sending back as those two combined are around $60 mil for this season. 

35 minutes ago, RendZone said:

You forgot Superfan of the Year. 

They might want to add "Troll of the Year" as well...

1 minute ago, Chuckster70 said:

I think that was in sometime in late 2005 into 2006. 

The MLB Angels forum or as some called it (OMB), most of the longer tenured folks transitioned over in 2007-2008. 

Yeah, it was around that time for sure, some definite trolls were making it impossible to discuss anything meaningful...and very few have the panache of AudiDriver. 

I don't think there is any doubt this is the best place to discuss Angels baseball with other fans...

Came over in the great "ESPN Angels Forum Exodus" in 20??...it's been a while.

Hmmm, that would have been spicy facing an Ausmus-led Astros 19 times in 2020.  

Just now, tdawg87 said:

I think you're confusing Soriano with Suarez. Typical white person.

Yep...and, yes, I'm as white as a mayonnaise covered potato.

7 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

I don't mind parting with Devo or even Rengifo, but Soriano and Jackson I'd like to hold on to because they could be really good in 2020 and could net us a much larger return. Both have amazing tools/stuff. 

The overall problem I see with matching up with the Tigers is they are going to want a young-ish SP prospect or two in exchange for their best trading chip...someone that could be ready by 2021 at the latest or could come up at the last half of 2020 and we need those guys (Sandoval, Barria, Suarez) for depth in case of injury so that leads to offering guys with upside instead.  In the end, I just don't see why the Tigers would take the deal unless some good pitchers are included to offset the loss of Boyd...likely meaning no deal gets done.

9 minutes ago, Glen said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/01/scott-kazmir-launches-comeback-attempt.html

Sounds...half-baked?

1 minute ago, Chuckster70 said:

I don't know, that seems a bit steep to me. But I wouldn't be pissed if that was the actual deal. 

I like the promise of both Jackson and Deveaux but they are still years away.  Soriano was overmatched in his first trip to the MLB so, despite his repertoire, I think the Tigers would want a more MLB-ready propect in return.   Rengifo is ready to take the next step so I could see him being central to the deal.

Overall, though, the deal "feels" light on our end for a potential middle-rotation option with 3 years of control left. 

Angels trade MIF Luis Rengifo, SS Jeremiah Jackson, SP Jose Soriano, and OF Trent Deveaux to the Tigers in exchange for SP Matthew Boyd

I'd do that but don't think Detroit would...one could hope

Last Puig mention was from 12/26/2019:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/latest-on-yasiel-puig-white-sox.html

6 minutes ago, VariousCrap said:

True, but what if they are done with SP/BP?  Signing Puig would definitely make the offense even more dangerous and if the Angels are out of it at the trade deadline, you trade him and get something nice in return.

I'll say this...if we sign Puig to something like 1/$6-$8 mil, I think we are done looking for a major upgrade to the rotation for the immediate future and will keep our options open.  I think the reason "Angels pursuing Puig" isn't in the rumors is that we still trying to work out a trade for someone that would likely bring us close to the payroll limit.

Just now, VariousCrap said:

 

Guillen had severe anger issues.  From everything I've read, Puig has immaturity issues.

Six to one, half dozen to the other...

Could he work at that price?  Sure, he'd be a surer thing than Goodwin in terms of speed and offensive output, and he might even take it up a notch coming back to CA, but he's still a question mark in many aspects. At 1/$8 mil, the commitment is so little I wouldn't begrudge Eppler for taking a season flyer on him until we have a clearer picture on Adell/Marsh but, all things being equal, I'd rather they leave the available payroll space for SP/BP help.

15 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

Why not? Guillen was a beast that year and didn't implode until the season was ending.  Personally I wish they could have fixed it for the playoffs.  

Not sure they could have fixed Guillen's shitty personality in the short time available before playoffs...that seems like something Guillen would actually have to want to do himself.  

36 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Again, it would appear AW has been so dumbed down that your best posters legitimately believe Bundy and Teheran are the answer.

I feel legitimately sorry for you. I provide numbers and you throw a tantrum. I offer opinion, and you disagree. I offer common sense and you cover your ears. 

Sorry guys. The Angels rotation sucks at this point in time. There's just no way around that. And if you can't recognize that, it's either because your choosing to ignore the obvious or you're just that plain dumb. I can't answer that for you.

For the most part though, what I'm seeing is a large collection of individuals that are smart enough to be stupid homers. Alas, hope springs eternal. And some things, will never change.

You sound miserable...hope you can find some happiness in other aspects of your life.

Don't see a reason to sign Jose Guillen a 2nd time?

46 minutes ago, Lou said:

People should be celebrating the birthday of St Thomas Aquinas.

 

and Joey Fatone.