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Well if Shohei mysteriously takes a year off to attempt a basketball career we’ll know what’s really up, and he’s just pulling an MJ

Well if Shohei mysteriously takes a year off to attempt a basketball career we’ll know what’s really up, and he’s just pulling an MJ

We need someone to be on the lookout for Ippei at LAX.  @Chuck is going to get him on his next AW podcast.

Well if Shohei mysteriously takes a year off to attempt a basketball career we’ll know what’s really up, and he’s just pulling an MJ

Well if Shohei mysteriously takes a year off to attempt a basketball career we’ll know what’s really up, and he’s just pulling an MJ

Well if Shohei mysteriously takes a year off to attempt a basketball career we’ll know what’s really up, and he’s just pulling an MJ

Well if Shohei mysteriously takes a year off to attempt a basketball career we’ll know what’s really up, and he’s just pulling an MJ

Well if Shohei mysteriously takes a year off to attempt a basketball career we’ll know what’s really up, and he’s just pulling an MJ

I mean, maybe not Arte, but with the Angels’ luck wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if as more emerges the Angels somehow still wind up looking bad. 

Well if Shohei mysteriously takes a year off to attempt a basketball career we’ll know what’s really up, and he’s just pulling an MJ

I mean, maybe not Arte, but with the Angels’ luck wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if as more emerges the Angels somehow still wind up looking bad. 

Well if Shohei mysteriously takes a year off to attempt a basketball career we’ll know what’s really up, and he’s just pulling an MJ

I mean, maybe not Arte, but with the Angels’ luck wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if as more emerges the Angels somehow still wind up looking bad. 

Both can be true. Both can be bad people. She could have been in it for the money and he could have been rough and violent beyond expectation. She didn't expect it would be that bad.

When I think about the last few years, I think about how much pressure the Angels have been under to compete for Trout and Ohtani, and how it's affected their decisions from the FO to the manager to the players on the field, and I think one of the players who have internalized this the most is Patrick Sandoval. I think he's a good pitcher, but I think he's got into his head he needs to be the ace or dominant #2 to help see this team through. I appreciate that. I appreciate the competitiveness, the effort, the heart. But I think he's backed himself into a corner where he puts an unrealistic amount of pressure on himself to be something he cannot be, and even though the expectations have changed and Ohtani is gone, the Halos haven't brought in anyone ahead of him for the rotation. I see him right back where he's been the last few years. He is going to get himself hurt or continue to implode because he's expecting results he doesn't have the ability to deliver. 
If you had moved him for someone like Jordan Westburg and he was slotting into a team that was already competitive and had a trio of better arms above him and around him, I think it would do him good to pitch more to what he is and will be, and less to something he wants to be, or less of something the Angels hope he will be. If he is on a smart team with pitching depth, a place where he can top out at 4 1/3 innings or 20 GS/120 IP and be a big part of a team's success, an acquiring team will have interest in him, and the Angels can get a young bat with more club control than Sandy has, and it'll be better for him maxing out his true ceiling rather than trying to do more than that here.
Maybe that makes my stance a little more clear. 

I also mention Westburg because he sort of reminds me of Drury. Some swing-and-miss concerns, defensive question marks, but has some pop and positional versatility. Orioles are stacked and could lose him without hurting them.

When I think about the last few years, I think about how much pressure the Angels have been under to compete for Trout and Ohtani, and how it's affected their decisions from the FO to the manager to the players on the field, and I think one of the players who have internalized this the most is Patrick Sandoval. I think he's a good pitcher, but I think he's got into his head he needs to be the ace or dominant #2 to help see this team through. I appreciate that. I appreciate the competitiveness, the effort, the heart. But I think he's backed himself into a corner where he puts an unrealistic amount of pressure on himself to be something he cannot be, and even though the expectations have changed and Ohtani is gone, the Halos haven't brought in anyone ahead of him for the rotation. I see him right back where he's been the last few years. He is going to get himself hurt or continue to implode because he's expecting results he doesn't have the ability to deliver. 
If you had moved him for someone like Jordan Westburg and he was slotting into a team that was already competitive and had a trio of better arms above him and around him, I think it would do him good to pitch more to what he is and will be, and less to something he wants to be, or less of something the Angels hope he will be. If he is on a smart team with pitching depth, a place where he can top out at 4 1/3 innings or 20 GS/120 IP and be a big part of a team's success, an acquiring team will have interest in him, and the Angels can get a young bat with more club control than Sandy has, and it'll be better for him maxing out his true ceiling rather than trying to do more than that here.
Maybe that makes my stance a little more clear. 

I also mention Westburg because he sort of reminds me of Drury. Some swing-and-miss concerns, defensive question marks, but has some pop and positional versatility. Orioles are stacked and could lose him without hurting them.

No, I think he still has plenty of value and is capable of being a solid pitcher, I just don't think he's going to be what Angel fans, or even the Angels FO, are hoping he can do, and I'm not sure the new coaching staff will elevate him in time before either his wheels fall off or he winds up injured. Call it change of scenery. 
Just think that there's a decent chance he winds up totally sucking or going under the knife before he gets any better than what we've seen, but that there's still enough there for a team like (at least at the start of the offseason) Baltimore, Milwaukee, Minnesota, San Diego, or the Dodgers that would have been willing to roll the dice while also having some young hitters to part with, someone of fair and comparable value. Was never expecting to get a perennial all-star in return, and at the start of the winter, I felt there was enough reasonable mid-tier SP to try and replace him that way. I'm also not indicting the current coaching staff already - just think Sandoval's gotten in his head that he needs to be something he isn't going to attain here, and that "resetting" to another team might help him get a fresh start.
I've never thought he was bad. Just trying to capitalize on his value before it or he goes away.

I agree @Hubs with what you are saying, but it's also not necessarily the best comp to the situation. 

Another way to look at it in a way that's more relevant...
2020: Reid Detmers 1st Round, no second round - in the bigs
2021: Sam Bachman 1st Round, Ky Bush 2nd, Landon Marceaux 3rd - one guy in the bigs, two used in trades to support the team
2022: Zach Neto 1st Round, no second round pick, Ben Joyce 3rd, Jake Madden 4th - two guys in the bigs, one used in a trade to support the team
2023: Nolan Schanuel 1st Round, no second pick - already in the bigs
The two big takeaways? 
Perry's top picks are being used on guys who are quick to help the MLB team - either directly by being promoted, or being traded to add to the big league team, and the track record for the former is strong. 
And the other? Four drafts, only one second round pick.
The Angels, especially now, need every draft pick they can get, especially since arguably Perry's best skill so far is drafting guys who have almost immediate impact on the MLB team. Maximize that! It's his last known year under contract.

Pfft, they'd be heretics if they were in MLB.  Or any pro minor league.  Or NCAA.  Or college wood bat summer league.  But they're not, so they're not.
Does anyone call the Harlem Globetrotters heretics?
When the inevitable Gilligan's Island reboot comes, the Savannah Bananas will be ones making the guest appearance this time.

I agree @Hubs with what you are saying, but it's also not necessarily the best comp to the situation. 

Another way to look at it in a way that's more relevant...
2020: Reid Detmers 1st Round, no second round - in the bigs
2021: Sam Bachman 1st Round, Ky Bush 2nd, Landon Marceaux 3rd - one guy in the bigs, two used in trades to support the team
2022: Zach Neto 1st Round, no second round pick, Ben Joyce 3rd, Jake Madden 4th - two guys in the bigs, one used in a trade to support the team
2023: Nolan Schanuel 1st Round, no second pick - already in the bigs
The two big takeaways? 
Perry's top picks are being used on guys who are quick to help the MLB team - either directly by being promoted, or being traded to add to the big league team, and the track record for the former is strong. 
And the other? Four drafts, only one second round pick.
The Angels, especially now, need every draft pick they can get, especially since arguably Perry's best skill so far is drafting guys who have almost immediate impact on the MLB team. Maximize that! It's his last known year under contract.

I agree @Hubs with what you are saying, but it's also not necessarily the best comp to the situation. 

Another way to look at it in a way that's more relevant...
2020: Reid Detmers 1st Round, no second round - in the bigs
2021: Sam Bachman 1st Round, Ky Bush 2nd, Landon Marceaux 3rd - one guy in the bigs, two used in trades to support the team
2022: Zach Neto 1st Round, no second round pick, Ben Joyce 3rd, Jake Madden 4th - two guys in the bigs, one used in a trade to support the team
2023: Nolan Schanuel 1st Round, no second pick - already in the bigs
The two big takeaways? 
Perry's top picks are being used on guys who are quick to help the MLB team - either directly by being promoted, or being traded to add to the big league team, and the track record for the former is strong. 
And the other? Four drafts, only one second round pick.
The Angels, especially now, need every draft pick they can get, especially since arguably Perry's best skill so far is drafting guys who have almost immediate impact on the MLB team. Maximize that! It's his last known year under contract.

I think a lot has to happen for that scenario to present itself...I don't think he signs a one-year deal, and if he does, I don't really see why it makes sense for the Angels or for Blake Snell. I imagine the number of teams willing and able to sign him to a straight one-year deal would open many more teams into the fold. 

If he has opt-outs, especially after the first year, what team would give up a lot if he was pitching well, knowing he'd likely opt-out to test the market? If he wasn't pitching that great - he likely isn't opting out, meaning that again a team would not give up much. The acquiring team is kinda effed either way, and the Angels probably aren't getting anything better than what they'd lose giving up the draft pick to sign him. It's too much of a wash without any real gain.
If he sucks or gets hurt the Angels are stuck. Also NTC language could be a hurdle.

Also, those names you're mentioning are almost to the point where it's an entire different era of baseball. It's happening very quickly, but MLB is becoming more and more about capitalizing on the value of guys aged 20-25, not 28-32 like even a decade ago. That's why the minor leagues were consolidated. That's why guys like Tim Anderson and Amed Rosario are taking really cheap deals and guys like Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery are still unsigned. 

Baseball is very quickly becoming a sport where guys drafted in the first couple of rounds are expected to be in the bigs within a year or three at most it seems, even some guys being plucked from HS (someone like Jackson Jobe comes to mind, a HS picked in '21 who very possibly will debut this year).
What the Angels and Perry have been doing seems a little surprising, but truth is MLB is moving very quickly towards this model. The owners are recognizing this is where they'll save money and make profit, and it's gradually forcing the average MLB team into being a team of guys in their early 20's rather than mid to late 20's. That wasn't the case when guys like Jepsen and Chatwood were being drafted, heck even Marsh is starting to be on the fringe of that timeframe of when things started to shift.

I agree @Hubs with what you are saying, but it's also not necessarily the best comp to the situation. 

Another way to look at it in a way that's more relevant...
2020: Reid Detmers 1st Round, no second round - in the bigs
2021: Sam Bachman 1st Round, Ky Bush 2nd, Landon Marceaux 3rd - one guy in the bigs, two used in trades to support the team
2022: Zach Neto 1st Round, no second round pick, Ben Joyce 3rd, Jake Madden 4th - two guys in the bigs, one used in a trade to support the team
2023: Nolan Schanuel 1st Round, no second pick - already in the bigs
The two big takeaways? 
Perry's top picks are being used on guys who are quick to help the MLB team - either directly by being promoted, or being traded to add to the big league team, and the track record for the former is strong. 
And the other? Four drafts, only one second round pick.
The Angels, especially now, need every draft pick they can get, especially since arguably Perry's best skill so far is drafting guys who have almost immediate impact on the MLB team. Maximize that! It's his last known year under contract.

Michael Lorenzen’s last two years starting are about the same as a Blake Snell non-CY season. He’ll cost many many millions less, wants to be an Angel, and won’t cost us a pick, which is one of Perry’s strongest aspects.
I don’t want us to spend on Snell, watch him lead the league in walks and post a 4.25 ERA in 120 innings and handcuff payroll for better players next winter and beyond.
If we contend in 2024, it won’t be because we did or didn’t sign Blake Snell.