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Posts posted by Reveille1984
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We don't have an "organizational plan". The only reason we're doing this pseudo-rebuild is out of necessity, because everyone got old and injured and our farm system has been dog s*&^ for 10+ years now.
Schanuel's only real skill at the moment is plate discipline. Even last year during his MLB run he had 4 XBH in 132 PAs with a 0 WAR. The only way he's going to become a serviceable major league 1B is to harness his frame into power.
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17 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:
Dodgers farm system : Angels farm system :: Sydney Sweeney : Melissa McCarthy
It feels like we've had a bottom 3 farm system for about a decade, so you could probably pick 25+ other teams as well as the Dodgers and say the same thing.
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Nobody really cares whether he likes baseball or not, it's how he carries himself. He's the living embodiment of "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole".
It's a lot easier to deal with a personality like that when he's an MVP candidate and one of the best players in baseball. The schtick starts to grow old when you can't stay on the field with a quarter billion dollar contract.
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2 hours ago, Fullmer17 said:
Jesus, this sucks. Lowered payroll, kept Ohtani for “fan entertainment” and there’s no ballpark plan. Why is he keeping the team then? There is no plan.
He doesn't seem to have a long term plan for anything. I think he's just a bored, rich old man that wouldn't know what to do with himself if he actually sold the team. His response about the stadium seems to coincide with this, which was practically "I'll probably be dead in 2038, who cares?"
It's funny that he's so big on selling "entertainment", yet winning is likely the biggest part of a team being interesting and drawing new fans. Entertainment for him is a splashy name, not an actual good baseball team. This is the entire root of the franchise's problems.
He's had two all-time, HOF level players fall into his lap and has zilch to show for it. Garbage, penny pinching player development, continually a garbage tier farm system. A lot of people are huffing the hype pipe on Schanuel, Neto, and O'Hoppe, but these are more complementary pieces, not guys you build a team around.
Sorry to be such a downer, but man this a dark time for Angels fans.
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I mean, what else are we going to do? Our farm is mediocre to bad so it's not like we have a bunch of talent waiting in the wings.
If the Angels aren't ever going to rebuild (and that ship has already sailed anyways by getting zilch for Ohtani), then overpriced free agents are the only avenue we have.
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18 hours ago, greginpsca said:
Winning brings fans.
I mean, obviously. But we aren't doing that with or without Trout so it's kind of a moot point. And Arte isn't going to move him so it's even less of a point.
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Trout is the only thing on this team that's going to draw casual fans to the stadium. There's no way Arte moves him, especially to the Dodgers.
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Bellinger is definitely going to get paid. He's still only 28 and the FA class is one of the weakest in years.
Unfortunately he seems like just the type of player that Arte would throw a bag at if we lose Ohtani. Hopefully Minasian can reign him in.
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I have about 10 years in IT, can't wait for another 25...
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7 minutes ago, ScottT said:
Mickey Moniak is not gonna hit .290 and slug .500 if he has the worst walk rate and the six worst strikeout rate in MLB.
Yeah, I'm just taking this year as a nice flash in the pan, best possible case scenario for Moniak.
He has a 2.8% BB rate and around a .400 BABIP. I'm thinking more like a .240/.270/.440 line is more realistic.
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It would be fairly hilarious if he actually just up and retired. Sadly, a dude owed this much money would never do that.
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Once Ohtani leaves, we'll pretty much be at rock bottom IMHO.
Our ownership is the running joke of baseball. Our only star level player is 32 and on the backswing of his career. Our farm system is perpetually one of the worst in MLB, and we got rid of the only real top 100 guy we had for the walking corpse of Giolito. We have a rotating stockpile of #3/4/5 starters. Our position players are all middling to slightly above average, with no real standouts outside of some possible glimmer of hope for Neto/O'Hoppe/Schanuel one day turning into something. But they are all still big question marks.
Like Stradling said, I just find other things to do and gradually care less about the Angels. I follow other sports, hockey and NFL are coming back around. Play some guitar, hang out with my wife and son, drink some beers and enjoy life.
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Barring the legitimacy of the article, even if he wants out there's just not a lot of realistic options out there.
He has around 7 years / $250M remaining on his deal and already can't stay on the field consistently. That likely isn't going to get better in his age 32-38 seasons.
We'd probably have to be the ones adding just to get rid of that contract.
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Or Rendon could just say "I'm out for the season with my injury" and not have to deal with the question anymore.
His general assholery seems to be more of the problem.
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I'm guessing more finger/blister problems. Didn't look like anything serious, but who knows.
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20 minutes ago, Stradling said:
Except the actual talent wasn’t there from 2014-2021. So no, not really. Show me the 2014 version of Neto or O’Hoppe or Schanuel. Fletcher or Walsh weren’t close to Neto or Schanuel. Who were the back end relief arms in those years that looked like Bachman, Soriano or Joyce? Morin? Bedrosian? If you want to compare Sandoval Detmers to Skaggs or Heaney I think that’s fair. But then who is Silseth or Canning? Tropeano?
I mean, we had Aybar/Simmons from 2014 to 2020 who were both very good to phenomenal. Normally 3-4.5 WAR a season. We'll be lucky if Neto ever consistently hits that level.
I agree C/1B have been a black hole for sure outside of some decent years from Iannetta/Stassi.
I get the overall positive sentiment as well, but none of these are really cornerstone players unless we hit the lotto. If O'Hoppe, Schanuel, and Neto all become above average everyday regulars that's probably a win for us given their question marks. Maybe there's a world where Schanuel becomes Freeman and Neto becomes a 4 WAR defensive prodigy, but those are more fringe probabilities than likely.
Same with our SP group, right now it's looking like a barn full of 3-4 starters. Having these guys young and cost controlled is nice, but similar to our position player talent there's nothing there that's projecting as a top flight arm.
Ultimately in a vacuum we have some nice pieces, but when compared to lineups even in just our own division like HOU/TEX... that's a hard hill to climb. Per usual, If Trout/Rendon can stay healthy and productive next season and we can sign Ohtani and/or Giolito then yes, there's some hope.
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We've had Ohtani for six years and never made the playoffs. Even if he came back, what would be different?
There's no easy fix here. Our talent just isn't on the same level of higher end teams, and our best player is 32 and injury prone. It just is what it is. We all know a rebuild is needed, but with the team infrastructure full of Arte's cronies and our history (or lack therof) of draft success, I doubt that we could do so successfully.
We need new ownership, plain and simple.
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An overhaul of our pitching coaches/trainers is probably in order. Not that I'm going to fully blame Matt Wise and co. for everyone on the staff completely regressing this year, but we need a new voice to help these guys out.
Kind of funny that we finally get a mostly healthy pitching staff all year, but they end up completely shitting the bed anyways while our lineup is decimated by injuries.
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30 minutes ago, stormngt said:
My understanding the topic was reference to those in the minors. Was i wrong?
These aren't really players of consequence anyways, either way.
Every team in the league has a "good group of quality players". Nobody can be seriously hyped that we're tacking our hopes at future success onto guys like Adell, Moniak, Ward, Canning, and Bachman. We don't have a single prospect in the top 100. Neto and O'Hoppe have potential to be solid regulars, but none of these guys are high impact talent outside of mayyybeee Schanuel turning into something. This is not a stealth rebuild, it's just a bunch of mediocre to average major league talent with a few sprinklings of above average thrown in. Most of which have either been injured, inconsistent, regressed, or are just players that every team has.
I understand having copium for your team, but 2024 and beyond is looking bleak. Especially in the division that we're in.
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Who knows at this point.
Everyone thinks the Dodgers are the obvious choice, but they're very calculated in their moves and Ohtani carries a lot more risk than the average player, even if he is the biggest draw in the sport. Let's be real, his best years have probably already happened and there's no real template for how a guy like him will hold up into his 30's. Any injury nullifies your best bat as well as an ace level pitcher.
I feel like it's going to come down to how much he prefers location/comfort versus how badly he wants to win/contract value. If the Dodgers offer 8/$400M and some wild card like Baltimore offers 10/$500M, where would he go? If Moreno offers the biggest money contract but LA offers $100M less, does he value a winning franchise more than the cash and comfort level of sticking with the same team?
I don't think as many teams are going to be falling over themselves to give him half a billion dollars as we're expecting, which somewhat increases the Angels odds since we're in desperation mode to keep him. I feel like Arte will match whatever his highest offer is, and the only teams that really fit his preference of West Coast/Competitive/Rich are:
SFG - Solid franchise, but not very spendy
LAD - Rich and competitive but risk averse
SEA - More competitive lately but not exactly "winners"
SD - Will have to extend Soto, doubt they'll tack on another $50M AAV after their abomination of a season
I'm sure the big spending east coast franchises will get in on the sweepstakes, but I just don't see him going there unless he gets a ridiculous offer. TEX might be an option honestly that I wouldn't be surprised by.
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20 minutes ago, SoCalDucksFan said:
Props to you for the blind optimism. To reach 91 wins, which might still not be quite enough, they have to go 35-16 the rest of way. That's .686 baseball. Not only can't they be splitting series at this point, they can't even be going 2-1 in them. They have to outperform the best team in the league, Atlanta, which has a .654 record.
A team doesn't just turn around on a dime. This is the team they've been the past 8 years, and this is the team they're going to be the next 8 weeks. The only question now, is whether they'll finish above .500 for the season.
It's over, Ohtani is gone, and the Angels are going to be looked at as an embarrassment for years and probably decades to come, for wasting such a generational talent, with NOTHING to show for it.
We're already an embarrassment around the league as long as Arte owns this team, nothing's going to change because of these deadline deals when we had basically a 10% chance at the wild card.
I know this is an Angels fan board and as a long time fan of this team of course I want them to do well. But there's just not a lot to be optimistic about on the horizon unfortunately, especially after this season is done. I know a lot of people on this board don't care about farm system rankings or prospects, but we've seen how this has worked out over the last decade. Sure, guys like Neto and O'Hoppe are nice but let's be honest with ourselves. These aren't going to be some kind of game changing, franchise altering players. Every SP we have has regressed this year and with Ohtani gone this rotation and lineup is going to look a lot more bleak.
This is also a super weak free agent year, so it's not like we can just patch everything up with throwing cash around.
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Canning's fastball velocity has been way down this year, so that definitely isn't helping. He's also almost 28 and has had one serviceable MLB season. He's just not that good.
Sandoval has always had shitty control and high walk rates. Weirdly his velocity is way up this year, might be overthrowing. Similar to Canning, is basically a #3 at his best and more of a 4/5 on average. Also just not very good most of the time.