AngelsFanSince86

Unfortunately, that's the mentality that has kept the Angels from the postseason. It's short-sighted.

F. He may have done a nice job with the Heaney and Watson trades, but ultimately they don't move the needle. He had a chance to get a potential impact prospect for less than half a season of Iglesias and didn't do it. Instead they'll still miss the playoffs, but likely win a few more games than they would without Iglesias thereby lowering their draft position as well. Angels have perfected the art of mediocrity.

F. He may have done a nice job with the Heaney and Watson trades, but ultimately they don't move the needle. He had a chance to get a potential impact prospect for less than half a season of Iglesias and didn't do it. Instead they'll still miss the playoffs, but likely win a few more games than they would without Iglesias thereby lowering their draft position as well. Angels have perfected the art of mediocrity.

F. He may have done a nice job with the Heaney and Watson trades, but ultimately they don't move the needle. He had a chance to get a potential impact prospect for less than half a season of Iglesias and didn't do it. Instead they'll still miss the playoffs, but likely win a few more games than they would without Iglesias thereby lowering their draft position as well. Angels have perfected the art of mediocrity.

I love when the jokes write themselves 

Some of you are burying the lead by talking about their tough job beginnings and Lovegrove's bonus. I have plenty of stories about the jobs I had when I was in college in the 80's and what I did right out of college to start my career but I'm not going to go there. You know why? Because this is not about me. Some of you are completely missing the point here.
The point is Arte should be leading this organization in such a way as to make us competitive in all facets of the game. He is not. Hell, he won't even comment on it.
"Moreno did not respond to ESPN after request for comment."
This is really no different than the concerns many of us have with the lack of resources allocated to scouting and the international markets. We are not competing with our competition. That's on Arte. So is this.
"Cleveland redid their entire weight room, providing three meals a day. They were flying guys out," Lovegrove said. "They were giving a lot of players, not just their top prospects, the opportunity to seriously improve themselves under the eye of the organization, and in doing so, I think they produced significantly better players than they would have had their system operated like the Angels."
"Teams across baseball are making changes to their minor league systems, including the Giants, Boston Red Sox and New York Mets. The Giants previously were not paying salaries to players in extended spring training before changing their tune in June, according to SFGATE. The Red Sox are now offering additional benefits to minor leaguers, including extended spring training back pay and housing stipends retroactive to early May. The Mets joined 12 other teams in baseball in paying extended spring training players."

This thread is turning into Boomer City.

Just because people have it worse doesn't mean these guys don't have a right to be upset.

Hopefully this becomes a national embarrassment and Arte is forced to sell the team out of disgrace.

Only employs 8 scouts.
Doesn’t make sure prospects are in a healthy environment, compared to other orgs.
Rumors abound that good GM candidates don’t want to work for him.
It’s almost like Moreno is disinterested in truly operating a franchise and farm in an effective way.
He only cares about the big splash.
ONE post-season appearance after 2009
Time to sell the team? 
He isn’t getting any younger (75).
 

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It may make them feel better in the present, but long term they will never come to terms with his death until they admit to themselves that Tyler was an adult and did this to himself. As his family they should have seen it as much as anyone and made a bigger deal out of it.
I don't know what their motivation is, but if it's justice they won't find it. If they get everything they set out for they will still feel empty because deep down they'll know it was Tyler and that as his family they're as responsible as anyone for seeing the signs and getting him help.
If the motivation is money, then screw them because they are terrible people.
I have a feeling it's a bit of both. 
Skaggs families whole premise is based on the fact that the Angels "knew". Its a very shallow premise that in the end may make one more individual connected to this. And at the end of the day, as far as I'm concerned, it's still Tyler's fault. And his families for not making a bigger deal before he died.
I've had plenty of people in my life suffer from addiction, eating disorders, etc. I've watched people turn the other cheek, enable, and confront. The reality is that you always see the signs of you are close enough to them. If you choose to ignore them and they end up dead, please don't try to blame someone else. Ultimately it's the individuals fault. However, next in line are the people who are supposed to know them best (spouse, family, lifelong friends, etc.) If you did nothing before it happened, you are more responsible than any other person other than the individual.
There are some sad stories out there about teens being given prescription drugs laced with fentanyl and ODing. This is not one of those stories. Tyler was a grown ass man. I feel sorry for him and his family, but it should stop there.

Skaggs was a grown man.  It's tragic,  but family needs to reconcile that he made his decisions.  Perhaps blaming Angels makes them feel better and exonerates even themselves.  

OK, but if the person actually liable doesn’t have the money you want, it is not very respectable to just pursue the organization because they do have the money.
I have no idea what the Angels knew or didn’t know, what they did or didn’t do.  I guess we will find out.
But I don’t like the idea of just chasing deep pockets.

Players were called pussies and ridiculed for injuries? Hopefully they don't subpoena AW forum transcripts 

I disagree with this.  If the Angels knew, if Kay told his supervisor that Skaggs had a problem or if he told anyone in the front office about Skaggs having a problem then yea, the Angels should have some form of blame.  But if it is one guy buying drugs and doing drugs with another guy, it pretty much ends there.  

The family knew Skaggs had a drug dependency. There is fault there that won't be addressed as to where much of the fault lies. They didn't intervene because he was their golden goose. 

Except for AJ. That dude must have been cursed by an old Gypsy woman.

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