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And as usual youre going off on tangents... i think ill find the door.

And as usual youre going off on tangents... i think ill find the door.

He opened the coffers to increase sale value, nothing more.   Hes get more if the team is competitive.   I hate to be that guy but yeah, thats where i am with him.

Most people are going to clutch their pearls here and say hell no hes a pervert etc... but does any of that really matter?
Lets not forget, no charges were brought and he was not convicted of anything, by definition that means hes innocent.   Our opinion of him as a person means nothing to that.  Its a virtual lock that there are many sexual defiant in the league and other types of people that have had drug issues, domestic issues etc... 
Baurs suspension was in my opinion a gross overstep by the league, guys that were charged or convicted got far less, even for the same type of offense. 
Wining and losing, thats all that does, and he would certainly help in that regard. 
I dont think Perry or Arte will kick that tire, it isnt their style, but someone will you can bank on that. 

Most people are going to clutch their pearls here and say hell no hes a pervert etc... but does any of that really matter?
Lets not forget, no charges were brought and he was not convicted of anything, by definition that means hes innocent.   Our opinion of him as a person means nothing to that.  Its a virtual lock that there are many sexual defiant in the league and other types of people that have had drug issues, domestic issues etc... 
Baurs suspension was in my opinion a gross overstep by the league, guys that were charged or convicted got far less, even for the same type of offense. 
Wining and losing, thats all that does, and he would certainly help in that regard. 
I dont think Perry or Arte will kick that tire, it isnt their style, but someone will you can bank on that. 

Most people are going to clutch their pearls here and say hell no hes a pervert etc... but does any of that really matter?
Lets not forget, no charges were brought and he was not convicted of anything, by definition that means hes innocent.   Our opinion of him as a person means nothing to that.  Its a virtual lock that there are many sexual defiant in the league and other types of people that have had drug issues, domestic issues etc... 
Baurs suspension was in my opinion a gross overstep by the league, guys that were charged or convicted got far less, even for the same type of offense. 
Wining and losing, thats all that does, and he would certainly help in that regard. 
I dont think Perry or Arte will kick that tire, it isnt their style, but someone will you can bank on that. 

I think you have to say yes and let the pieces fall where they may. 

Hes always deserved props in this regard, the problem inst that he didnt spend, he just backed himself against a wall he wasnt willing to go thru in the tax.   You cant sign that many top dollar guys then cry budget. 
I give him full marks for what hes done, 100%, but full demerits for not being willing to finish the path he put himself on.
3 guys are literally half our payroll, the tax was inevitable. 

Hes always deserved props in this regard, the problem inst that he didnt spend, he just backed himself against a wall he wasnt willing to go thru in the tax.   You cant sign that many top dollar guys then cry budget. 
I give him full marks for what hes done, 100%, but full demerits for not being willing to finish the path he put himself on.
3 guys are literally half our payroll, the tax was inevitable. 

Hes always deserved props in this regard, the problem inst that he didnt spend, he just backed himself against a wall he wasnt willing to go thru in the tax.   You cant sign that many top dollar guys then cry budget. 
I give him full marks for what hes done, 100%, but full demerits for not being willing to finish the path he put himself on.
3 guys are literally half our payroll, the tax was inevitable. 

It isnt about brand names, its about impact.
I would be just as happy to swing a trade for a SS, but the reality is that we dont have the farm to trade for an impact SS, unless we take on a bad contract or give up guys we shouldnt be giving up in controllable young starters we actually also need.  Weakening one area to buff another is generally a zero sum equation.
But the simple fact is that SS is the one place that we most needed to upgrade.
If Perry can somehow swing a deal hat doesnt cost us Suarez or Sandoval to get the SS we need, no one will be happier than I, but he has zero leverage right now and every team he calls knows it.
Thats what position he never should have let himself get put in. 

do we have any sick lineups?  🙂

Spoiler alert, everything never goes right. 
Winning 85 would be a 12 game improvement over last year and still leave us 5 back of where the Ms where so, yeah, another third place season and no playoffs... and once again completely self inflicted as everything we needed was available. 

Spoiler alert, everything never goes right. 
Winning 85 would be a 12 game improvement over last year and still leave us 5 back of where the Ms where so, yeah, another third place season and no playoffs... and once again completely self inflicted as everything we needed was available. 

The biggest problem with all that isnt waiting 5 years, its that weve been told thats what they have been doing for the last 10.
But yeah, that graphic pretty much sums up in my view why we seem unable to sign players without over bidding. 
Would you want to play here given all that?  Be honest...   and before anyone plays the Ohtani card lets not forget we were the only teams that could give him what he wanted and where, we didnt earn that, we defaulted into it.  

I love what hes done so far, started off doing the exact right things... but as usual were left wondering if or when they will finish the job, and its starting to look like they wont. 
A huge if isnt going to retain Ohtani, im sorry blast me all you want but thats just reality, hes gone if thats who we are.

If this is where we project, and its about right and seems to be consensus, there is no reason to not trade him not and get more value. 
Not what i wanted or hoped, but this is where we are today.

a big contract to swanson scares the crap out of me.  lots of red flags with the bat.  The 3 WAR version is probably sustainable for 3, maybe 4 years.  But it feels like he could go really bad, really fast.  I feel like he's kind of the Jason Heyward of short stops.   I think I could live with around 5/100 but he's gonna get way more than that.  6/150 would make me very uncomfortable.  

Excellent breakdown, and yes thats exactly what you commit to, and it lease very few holes over that time.
Worst case, you need another corner OF or 1B, those generally arent hard spots to fill. 
The reality is that this is the path ownership put us on, if someone has another option for how to make this team relevant this year, im all ears. 

Correct, but as said its our only path the relevancy right now, we have no other options based on past actions. 
Also, you really think these prospective buyers arent in the loop?  Wouldnt you want to be?  There is no way Arte is doing this of his own accord if it would damage the sale or his profits.  I would be shocked if they were not, in fact i think they are the likely reason for the current talking points.
Im certain they want to keep Ohtani and are likely approving any spending we make from this point on. 

Excellent breakdown, and yes thats exactly what you commit to, and it lease very few holes over that time.
Worst case, you need another corner OF or 1B, those generally arent hard spots to fill. 
The reality is that this is the path ownership put us on, if someone has another option for how to make this team relevant this year, im all ears. 

Its a double edged sword, when you dont have the farm to make aquisitions, spending is your best/only real option.
The org needs to decide if its a player, or it isnt.  We put ourselves on this path then seemingly got scared and pulled back, it makes no sense. 
If we were not willing to do this we never should have signed Trout or Rendon, an we certainly shouldnt be looking at 40M for Ohtani or 30Mish for a top SS.  We should be looking to trade those guys. 
For me this is a pivotal off season for the franchise, we either step up and be players, or we go back to the small market angels and concede the market to the Dodgers once and for all. 

No, you dont, as you always come back to this supposed limitation, which as ive said many times i do not believe exists other than what Arte wants to spend, not what he could spend.
The idea that this club CANT do more, is simply not logical based on what we know they have tried to do in other investments.
So yeah, they could do both, if they chose to, if you dont see that then as you say i dont know what to tell you either.
We will not agree on this, we never have.   

This is what im wondering... who do we trade to make these deals and are we better off with the changes... does adding Bassitt and subtracting Sandoval make us better?   I dont think it does. 
The theory is sound, but the details will determine if it makes sense or not.  It needs context
I like our young pitching, im not wild about dealing any of it unless its for an absolute no brainer, and im not sure an Adames type is that. 

There is a large difference in skillset between SS and 2B.. just because a person is a middle infielder, doenst mean its interchangeable. have we not proven that?