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Another one I overlooked is Dean Chance:
With a touch of wildness and the habit of never looking at home plate once he received the sign from his catcher, Chance would turn his back fully towards the hitter in mid-windup before spinning and unleashing a good fastball, sinker or sidearm curveball.[2]
In 1964, Chance became at the time the youngest pitcher to win the Cy Young Award[3] when, as a member of the Los Angeles Angels, he led the American League in wins (20), innings pitched (2781⁄3) and earned run average (1.65—as of 2015, a franchise record) and was third in the A.L. in strikeouts.[1] He pitched 11 shutouts (also a franchise record as of 2015) that season, winning five of those by a 1–0 score.[1] At the time, only one Cy Young Award was given in all of MLB; since 1967, separate awards have been given in the AL and the National League.[4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Chance

Trout, Salmon, Tanana, Chance.
Gotta mention my favorite reliever, Bryan Harvey.
and the player I always think about...Lyman Bostock, for trying to give back his monthly salary because he didn't have a good April, then hit .406 in May and tragically killed in June.
 
 

Well, since it's Arte, I'm thinking something like:
 

 
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Well, since it's Arte, I'm thinking something like:
 

 
or
 

Woo hoo - we're rising like a well ...
 

Well, since it's Arte, I'm thinking something like:
 

 
or
 

Woo hoo - we're rising like a well ...
 

Trout, Finley, Fregosi, Salmon
Ryan spent too many years in other uniforms, and is in the HOF as a Ranger - 'nuf said.  
Ohtani, if he stays with the team and puts up 2 or three years like the last?  
The only question is who of the other 4 gets kicked off?
I want to put Vlad there, but he spent too many good years in Montreal.   Downing, Weaver, Grich are in the mix, and Erstad and Percy get some consideration for their hard-nosed playing styles more than their stats.  
Also, I always kind of felt bad about Tanana - we might've pushed him too young, and got him injured.  But yeah, not Rushmore material, tbh, just he *could've* been if not for the injuries.  

If he becomes a lifetime Angel and goes on to do Ohtani type things over the next 4-5 years, he's replacing someone on my mountain. 

Iglesias only had 3 blown saves, but he lost 6 games, mostly when he came in with a tie score and gave up the winning run. Estevez stats are very different on the road and at Colorado.
Iglesias, to his credit, seemed to find himself in Atlanta. The only problem I had with getting rid of him, is we got back essentially nothing.
 

https://twitter.com/PRPBaseball101/status/1613967735481827345/video/1
No predictions - but happy to see his velo seems to be back
 

Indeed, that was a big fail last season - we depended far too much on Adell and Marsh - got lucky with Ward (but injuries to him and Trout doomed any hope for the season.)
Perry should've been fired if he entered this season depending on Adell again.  
I hope Adell succeeds - but he has to be realistic - he's not been able to contribute at this level and if he wants to play in the majors, he has to improve. I hope he's not harboring some resentment because he thinks he deserves a roster spot - because if he's honest with himself, he doesn't.  

I think the pundits want Ohtani to hit free agency because it's going to give them a shit ton to write about.
I really hope he signs here. The butthurt from Trout's contract was just *chef's kiss*. The butthurt from Ohtani signing with the Angels will be beyond anything we have ever seen. 
The whole "playoff" thing is a red herring. Obviously Ohtani wants to make the playoffs. But you're looking at the FUTURE. I understand teams like the Dodgers and Padres will be enticing to him, but if the Angels can show improvement and a willingness to continue to improve the team to get to the playoffs, I think we're option 1. 
We'll see. But if Ohtani DOES LEAVE after Moreno's decision...yikes. You think he's hated now? 

Once again, Adell went to Driveline, and continued to work on his game at the Tempe complex because he realizes that there are holes in his game, and that pure athletic ability will no longer keep him in the major leagues.  
If he puts in the work, and shows progress, he can still earn the job as our regular LF, or RF.  He will have to earn it, though.  We signed Renfroe and Phillips for just that reason, and we also kept Moniak, for the same reasons.  
Adell is still a young player, but if he doesn't figure it out, at least this season the team will have more than one fallback option.  

I just assumed this site was filled with guys wearing the shoes their wives got them at Costco….

That morning, watching the news before work, I saw the video of ice on the boosters, etc, and there was obvious concern - I felt a bit queasy about it, but decided they'd play it safe like they usually did.
Our office admin was listening to to the launch on her radio and I joined her to listen, and we both heard it the live - we were in utter shock, couldn't believe what we heard.  Some co-workers saw us listening, wondered what was going on, and soon, most of the officer were gathered around that radio.  In my memory, we didn't say a word, but that's probably not right.  
I decided the two other guys in the office who hadn't come out should know, and the admin and I went to their shared office where they were having a kind of heated discussion about some work related thing, and they didn't stop, and I didn't, couldn't interrupt them - I was trying to figure out what words I'd say - and I just couldn't imagine myself saying "the shuttle exploded after launch, and it doesn't sound like there are any survivors."
Finally, after what seemed like 5 minutes of me just standing there, I spotted a radio on one's desk - I went to it, turned it on, and tuned to the news station.  Said something like "Listen to the news" and walked out - I couldn't bring myself to say what had happened out loud.
As as kid, I watched the Apollo missions, including 11 from launch to recovery and I ditched school so I could watch 13's re-entry on tv, and built the Saturn V various components models several times, and many of friend's fathers worked in aerospace, including Douglas and Rockwell and whoever that was with the manufacturing facility in in Hawthorne - Northrop?  
To me, the Challenger was one of the most shocking moments of my life.
 

That morning, watching the news before work, I saw the video of ice on the boosters, etc, and there was obvious concern - I felt a bit queasy about it, but decided they'd play it safe like they usually did.
Our office admin was listening to to the launch on her radio and I joined her to listen, and we both heard it the live - we were in utter shock, couldn't believe what we heard.  Some co-workers saw us listening, wondered what was going on, and soon, most of the officer were gathered around that radio.  In my memory, we didn't say a word, but that's probably not right.  
I decided the two other guys in the office who hadn't come out should know, and the admin and I went to their shared office where they were having a kind of heated discussion about some work related thing, and they didn't stop, and I didn't, couldn't interrupt them - I was trying to figure out what words I'd say - and I just couldn't imagine myself saying "the shuttle exploded after launch, and it doesn't sound like there are any survivors."
Finally, after what seemed like 5 minutes of me just standing there, I spotted a radio on one's desk - I went to it, turned it on, and tuned to the news station.  Said something like "Listen to the news" and walked out - I couldn't bring myself to say what had happened out loud.
As as kid, I watched the Apollo missions, including 11 from launch to recovery and I ditched school so I could watch 13's re-entry on tv, and built the Saturn V various components models several times, and many of friend's fathers worked in aerospace, including Douglas and Rockwell and whoever that was with the manufacturing facility in in Hawthorne - Northrop?  
To me, the Challenger was one of the most shocking moments of my life.
 

This is great. No matter what happens from here Alan Carter is a great story. I am going to show this to my 16 year old son tonight. He experienced something like this last year when he was the first of his class, to get called up to Varsity.
Thanks.

Agreed, it's not just the original mistake or failure, it's that decision-making process that led to the original mistake didn't change.  One way to look at it is as a perspective problem - we see "oh, we need a left fielder *now* because the current one sucks and we have no one to play the position" - without asking - "Why haven't we developed any left fielders in forever?  Or any players for that matter?  What's wrong with our talent acquisition process that got us here and how do we fix it?" 
But the overpays and desperate quick fixes nearly always cost us greatly down the road, and so the pattern would repeat (even if the events weren't necessarily connected, they represented symptoms of the same disease)
And I think you're right, too, I feel the same - that the Wells trade as a signpost, if you will, signaled something was really, really wrong with the way the club made decisions and built a team.  Any fool could see that Well had an unbearably bad contract, and 1 season of decent hitting performance that was easily seen as a mirage didn't change that.  But *someone* in the org figured he was the one piece of duct tape that would solve our problems.
I'm glad things under Eppler, then Perry seems to be moving in a direction to fix those problems.  But in baseball, it can take years to see the benefits of an improved draft/development operation - and this is the destructive view I think Arte put into place, the need to invest in winning now, not in some future he can't wait for.  
 

The Angels over the years remind me of the accident chain phenomenon, like in aircraft accidents.  
They do something stupid, which leads to a chain of subsequent mistakes which lasts for years, so that one mistake reverberates thru time.
For example, we trade for Greinke (giving up Segura, etc), then don't bother to resign him 'cuz we thought he owed us a discount, apparently, and in a fit of pique, sign Hamilton instead, losing our 1st pick.  Two slots after that pick, Aaron Judge is drafted by the Yankees.
Meanwhile, since we lost Greinke, we "replace" him by signing guys like Joe Blanton and Tommy Hanson (because we can sign 2 pitchers for the price of Greinke), and then after that blows up in our face, trade away Trumbo and Kendrick for more (mostly) failed pitchers.  When Hamilton crashed and burned, we traded for Joyce to backfill, then let him walk 'cause he was terrible, followed by a merry-go-round of bad left fielders, a trade for Upton then an extension, then his injuries, then poor performance, leading to calling up Adell prematurely and potentially ruining him.
In a more perfect universe, we could've resigned Greinke (depriving the Dodgers of his contributions), not signed Hamilton, not be hamstrung by his salary, not signed Blanton, etc, and drafted Judge to be our "future" left fielder, and left Adell in the minors to develop properly.  

You have to wonder if that's playing a part.
And at the same time, you have to wonder if we'll get another press release from Arte this week saying "Business now finished. Back for sale. Will include all cardboard boxes in storage from past stadium giveaways, including Mexican wrestling mask night, and star wars rally monkey doll. And Trout Hawaii shirt night"

The Angels over the years remind me of the accident chain phenomenon, like in aircraft accidents.  
They do something stupid, which leads to a chain of subsequent mistakes which lasts for years, so that one mistake reverberates thru time.
For example, we trade for Greinke (giving up Segura, etc), then don't bother to resign him 'cuz we thought he owed us a discount, apparently, and in a fit of pique, sign Hamilton instead, losing our 1st pick.  Two slots after that pick, Aaron Judge is drafted by the Yankees.
Meanwhile, since we lost Greinke, we "replace" him by signing guys like Joe Blanton and Tommy Hanson (because we can sign 2 pitchers for the price of Greinke), and then after that blows up in our face, trade away Trumbo and Kendrick for more (mostly) failed pitchers.  When Hamilton crashed and burned, we traded for Joyce to backfill, then let him walk 'cause he was terrible, followed by a merry-go-round of bad left fielders, a trade for Upton then an extension, then his injuries, then poor performance, leading to calling up Adell prematurely and potentially ruining him.
In a more perfect universe, we could've resigned Greinke (depriving the Dodgers of his contributions), not signed Hamilton, not be hamstrung by his salary, not signed Blanton, etc, and drafted Judge to be our "future" left fielder, and left Adell in the minors to develop properly.  

Ohtani leaving will definitely reduce the value of the club *and* will make the club less competitive which is related, but not the same thing.   
So, I agree, Arte must think he's keeping Ohtani - but Arte's been dead-wrong so many times on these things, that's hardly definitive.  
My fear is that we keep him 'til the end of the year, miss the playoffs, he walks, and leaves us with nothing.  
Fear "b" is we trade him in a Marlins-like trade where we get a bunch of high-value prospects who all tank, and the Angels are forever known as a team that traded the modern Babe Ruth for a bunch of "No,No Bodies"
 

Ohtani leaving will definitely reduce the value of the club *and* will make the club less competitive which is related, but not the same thing.   
So, I agree, Arte must think he's keeping Ohtani - but Arte's been dead-wrong so many times on these things, that's hardly definitive.  
My fear is that we keep him 'til the end of the year, miss the playoffs, he walks, and leaves us with nothing.  
Fear "b" is we trade him in a Marlins-like trade where we get a bunch of high-value prospects who all tank, and the Angels are forever known as a team that traded the modern Babe Ruth for a bunch of "No,No Bodies"
 

What’s your list of things he must do for you to be ok with his decision not to sell?
Fire Carpino, bring in PBO with track record of success. 
Extend Ohtani
Finish the off season with a couple of bullpen moves
Increase minor league budget so we stop hearing stories about us being cheap