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Kudos to Hoornstra, I guess.  I could stop reading after a couple of paragraphs, while he had to stay awake to the end.
Guy flies to the DR to pick up trash (instead of sending $10 to have a local do it?) 🙄 
 
Is "performative nonsense" too harsh?  Betcha he makes a decent living with this ..
 
 

Kudos to Hoornstra, I guess.  I could stop reading after a couple of paragraphs, while he had to stay awake to the end.
Guy flies to the DR to pick up trash (instead of sending $10 to have a local do it?) 🙄 
 
Is "performative nonsense" too harsh?  Betcha he makes a decent living with this ..
 
 

Kudos to Hoornstra, I guess.  I could stop reading after a couple of paragraphs, while he had to stay awake to the end.
Guy flies to the DR to pick up trash (instead of sending $10 to have a local do it?) 🙄 
 
Is "performative nonsense" too harsh?  Betcha he makes a decent living with this ..
 
 

The more I think about it, it seems like a weird move to announce the team is for sale before locking him up.  At this point he IS this team.  
And yes, Mike Trout is a future HOF’er with I assume (hope) are a few great years ahead. But Shohei is the only player in the history of the sport to do what he is doing.  I have to assume he’s worth more to the franchise than anything they pay him.
Without him, to a buyer, the Angels are a low-level, big market team with an aging superstar and a history of general failure that requires a lot of work to turn around.  They may still be the same with him, but with an asset that’s going to make a lot of money for the team.

No other player will ever do what Ohtani is doing. 
Ever. 

Gave my tickets to my son and his family tonight.  My grandson loves Angels stadium and especially Dippin Dots.  

Suarez’ past 6 starts:
34 innings, 2.12 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 32/8 Ks/BBs (2 of those INT BBs tonight)

He didn't need to. 
The Angels were already out of the penalty box by 2017, so the bit about them being locked into a 300k offer is wrong, but Rodriguez had been in the Mariners sights for a long time, Baseball America had him attached to the M's for well over a year and he ended up getting less than had been predicted.  Maybe more importantly -- 2017 was the UFA class where the Angels signed Ohtani.
The story is vintage JD bullshit.  Dude wants to take a victory lap and he knows his fan base will eat it up.

Definitely - the value of this franchise will be much different with Ohtani signed to a long-term deal vs. having traded him or leaving him unsigned.
Bottom-line, Arte will make a *lot* more money if he resigns Ohtani and sells before having too pay him out of his pocket, (or pay him for long.)
 
 

It's also a signal that even Arte doesn't see a way out of this mess, that there's no chance this team can be fixed doing things "his way".  His legacy is a succession of bad, under-achieving teams, an organization that only makes the news for the wrong reasons, and the fans have turned on him - his legacy is dead, and it's time to just walk away with an incredible amount of money and go buy an island or something.  
As for the future, anything is achievable given enough time and money.  We can only hope the team is bought by a group who won't spend x billion dollars on a losing team they have no plan to fix. 
I'd hope any such purchasers' plan is to dramatically increase payroll to immediately get into contention, and then approach the best execs, scouts, trainers, coaches, development directors, etc in the league and offer them double what they make now and at least try to build a productive development org .  The cost of that will be high, but not really that high when compared to a $3B purchase.  
 

It's also a signal that even Arte doesn't see a way out of this mess, that there's no chance this team can be fixed doing things "his way".  His legacy is a succession of bad, under-achieving teams, an organization that only makes the news for the wrong reasons, and the fans have turned on him - his legacy is dead, and it's time to just walk away with an incredible amount of money and go buy an island or something.  
As for the future, anything is achievable given enough time and money.  We can only hope the team is bought by a group who won't spend x billion dollars on a losing team they have no plan to fix. 
I'd hope any such purchasers' plan is to dramatically increase payroll to immediately get into contention, and then approach the best execs, scouts, trainers, coaches, development directors, etc in the league and offer them double what they make now and at least try to build a productive development org .  The cost of that will be high, but not really that high when compared to a $3B purchase.  
 

Moreno has long been known as a demanding boss, which is not unusual in private industry. But in this era of analytics, in which most owners are comfortable deferring to baseball operations departments, Moreno has been an outlier in how often he shoved his front-office professionals out of the way and made his own deals.
He would intermittently shuttle staffers into his version of a penalty box, to the degree that job titles really didn't matter; what mattered was how much sway the managers and general managers had in that moment with Moreno. The notion of a chain of command has been little more than theory within the Angels organization, which has made it difficult for Moreno's team to keep up with baseball's more data-driven teams.
Moreno took control of the Angels in 2003, fresh off a World Series win, and for years, his title-winning manager Mike Scioscia was perceived by peers to have more practical power than any other in baseball, more than former Angels GM Tony Reagins too. But over time, as the Angels' struggles continued, Scioscia's influence waned, and he retired in 2018. By then, Billy Eppler was the GM; he convinced Ohtani to sign with the Angels and reduced the payroll mess, but his teams never reached the postseason. Against Eppler's suggestions, Moreno insisted upon the hiring of former Angels coach Joe Maddon following the 2019 season to replace Scioscia. Maddon briefly held the throne of most powerful employee, and Eppler was gone before the 2020 season was up. Earlier this year, after Maddon fell out of favor, supplanted as the favorite by Minasian, Maddon was fired and replaced by Phil Nevin. Now, the presumption among executives is that in the face of the 2022 disaster, even Minasian might be on double secret probation.
Early on, the Angels were riding high off their title, and the team made the playoffs repeatedly -- in five out of Moreno's first six years in charge. It might be that this success fueled unjustified confidence in his own abilities. Like a lot of billionaires before him, Moreno seemed to believe he knew more about building a baseball team than the folks he hired. But the strengths that made him an extraordinary success before he bought the Angels became a weakness once he stepped into a sport that has become increasingly competitive.

His reaction looked really bad - I thought for sure it was torn cartilage or ACL - that's good news (hopefully).  🤞

We should ask the Dodgers what they want in a trade more often. 

Im a little surprised.  The Trash Pandas look good.  Stacked even.  Only O'Hoppe is top 100?  
Think there's any bias out there because the Angels haven't produced much over the last decade?  
Detmers was ranked high but moved so fast.  Now?   Damn.   
Sandoval was never ranked high, was he?
I'm not sold on Suarez, but he might have been underrated, too.
Ranking prospects is tough.  Casey Kotchman, Dallas McPherson, Jeff Mathis, Howie Kendrick and Erick Aybar, anyone?   Brandon Wood.  Adell and Marsh.
Also, Hank Conger was once in O'Hoppe territory.
Have fun, scouts.

Everything you've written here is viable and I agree something needs to change.  The annual let's throw a hail mary with ___________, and see if he reverts to his form of XX many years ago needs to end.  
I personally would be against gutting the farm mostly because I believe the guys that would garner the most interest are so far away that their value is somewhat dampened by the proximity, teams will pay less for volatility.  But 100% they need to be going all in. The problem is, they have been in a position to go ALL IN now for two years and the guy that ultimately makes that decision refuses to budge off his pre-established line in the sand.  Maybe the threat of losing Ohtani finally gets him to move off that line, dunno.
The reality is they absolutely need to go all in ..  I think most teams with the Angels revenue streams would be willing to take the risk and then blow it up if it didn't work (Red Sox did this with great effect), but the problem there is again ... the guy that ultimately would make that decision claims those types of tear downs are not in his DNA.
The key to any plan moving forward is to convince Arte.   That's one hell of an obstacle at this point.

Sounds like our 2002 lineup - clusters of hits, with no superstars, but most everyone sporting a near-.800 OPS - the lineup wore pitchers out, because a rally could start anywhere - no top-heavy lineup, just a bunch of grinders who got on base, and wore pitchers out.  
It's been sort of emblematic of the Arte tenure - a couple / three stars, and some assortment of scrubs.  (I know, I exaggerate.)  
But I suspect we've become enamored of the 3-outcome kind of player in scouting, and what we need are guys with strike zone judgement and good bat-to-ball skills - OBP is still a thing.  
 

I have this scene imprinted on my memory, being outside my house, on a perfect summer evening, and in the twilight, hearing Vin's voice narrating a Dodgers game from radios up and down the street. 
Elysian Fields, indeed.
It's not fair to call him "the best" - that implies there were others like him.  He was unique, a storyteller, an Irish poet, and you didn't even have to be a Dodger fan to enjoy him.  
RIP, Vin, thanks for the memories.

I have this scene imprinted on my memory, being outside my house, on a perfect summer evening, and in the twilight, hearing Vin's voice narrating a Dodgers game from radios up and down the street. 
Elysian Fields, indeed.
It's not fair to call him "the best" - that implies there were others like him.  He was unique, a storyteller, an Irish poet, and you didn't even have to be a Dodger fan to enjoy him.  
RIP, Vin, thanks for the memories.

Was never a dodger fan, but between him and Chick, it was good to grow up in LA. Both guys seemed as big a part of the team as the superstar players on the team.

LOL.....

Last year was a desperation draft to flood the system with arms. This seems more like a “normal” draft in the sense of how good teams select players. And they got some pretty high upside guys. 

Seems like this was a successful draft.