AngelFanInTheATL

23 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Curt Schilling got it right! 

 

Imagine saying "Curt Schilling got it right" about anything.  This guy said the Parkland shooting was fake, said 9/11 was an inside job and is a total Qanon guy. 

1 hour ago, Hubs said:

Diaz is just the 11th Angel to Start this year, 10 was Rosenberg earlier this week. 

Angels have had 25 starts of Sandoval, 25 of Detmers, 23 of Anderson and 23 of Ohtani, plus 18 from Canning.

Silseth (7), Suarez (6), Giolito (6), Barria (6) and now Rosenberg and Davidson round out the starters this year.

But the Nevin/Minasian defenders told me our season was bad because of injuries and we're the most cursed/snakebit team (because of injuries) in history.

When can we draft the El Segundo kids?

54 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Not necessarily.   They might appreciate the Angels giving them a chance to play in October.

But if they get a taste of the postseason then why would they want to come back here next year, especially if Sho is gone?

7 hours ago, Kotchman said:

A lot of Blum lovers are going to be gravely disappointed someday. The guy isn’t an Angels fan. He had some potential and somewhere around 2018 everything became about him. It ain’t his style that people hate. It’s his narcissistic self serving agenda that repels people. Wise individuals can see right through his entitled self centered bullshit

Beat writers are not supposed to be fans of a team. Amazing how many people don't get this.

Taking his word for it on "fatigue" and not having some kind of test (MRI) on him and then letting him pitch is a pretty bad look for the coaching and medical staff.

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

I fully understand that our farm ranking is what it is, but we have seen a nice little collection of talent hit the team the last few years.  So far it hasn’t amounted to more wins, but it does speak well for our future.  I know it is easier to shit all over the team in times like these, but there is enough of that all of the board and twitter.  

Position Players:

I really like our trio of guys that came up late last year and this year in Neto, O’Hoppe and Schanuel.  They don’t have to be All Stars to bring incredible value to the team.  They have to be above league average and create less question marks and less black holes in a line up.  Neto and O’Hoppe both seem to be above league average defensively, which we all know will help.  Schanuel, I have no idea how he is defensively, time will tell.  Looking at him he doesn’t look super athletic, but if he has good hands then he will be fine over at 1st base.  Mix that in with whatever Moniak brings to the table and we have some good young cost controlled players that truly help fill out a roster.  

Pitchers:

Canning, Sandoval, Detmers and Silseth are all 27 or younger and have shown the ability to get major league hitters out.  I don’t know how to unlock what Sandoval is capable of, but it feels like he is the one that might be most affected by overthinking and extra data.  Last year he had a sub 3 ERA so the talent is there.  Detmers has great stuff, finished last year better than league average.  He will be a solid left handed pitcher for a long time.  Silseth is 23 and has good stuff on the mound.  He struggles after about 75 pitches with keeping up his velocity.  I have no idea if that is something that can improve over time with better conditioning.  At the very minimum I see him as a high leverage reliever.  Canning is still only 27 years old and could be a perfectly fine 3-5 pitcher.  Again all of these guys are club controlled and very valuable parts of a team looking to compete.  

Then you have the young relievers.  Joyce, Soriano and Bachman all look to have closer stuff.  If you can have guys like that, where you don’t have to throw closer money at closers in free agency, you have a leg up on a lot of other teams.  If they continue to develop and you can shorten the game, like the Reds once had with Charlton, Dibble and Myers, you will win a ton of games.  

 

Bottom line is this team isn’t as far away from competing as most think.  A lot of the pieces are already in place.  

With all due respect, this sentence has been written here every year since 2014.

6 hours ago, Just Sayin said:

I like Ohtani.  But how many times can he say “ret’s go!” And get everybody all fired up?

I mean even Moustafa’s rah rah speech a couple of months ago or whatever was all about him! (He lives in Malibu and probably wants to stay here)

If you wanna flip tables and go postal you can do that too…but try it when the team is winning!  The players will be more receptive to the message!  Kicking a dog when he’s down rarely works with adults. 

I mean…you can do that…but usually you end up looking like a bloody retard when you do.

 

 

Wow, you managed to be both racist and stupid (using the "r" word in 2023?) in the span of four lines.  You're either a 15 year-old gamer or a MAGA douche.

3 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

I wonder what percentage of forumites know who Sandra Bernhard is?

Hint: she's not the one from Speed 

On 8/10/2023 at 9:02 AM, Angelsjunky said:

As a general rule, once the Angels are out, I don't care that much about their final record. There's even a side of me that wants to see them pile up losses, if only to get a higher draft pick - but also out of a kind of spitefulness towards them for failing once again.

But...this year it matters, on a few levels. While they're not technically out of contention, it is a long-shot. I mean maybe, but putting that aside for a moment, let's talk about the importance of reaching 82 in the win column.

One, they haven't had a winning season since 2015. That's (and I'll write it out): 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022. Only one other team, the Royals, has a losing streak that bad. Having a winning record isn't merely a pyrrhic victory - it ends a losing streak that signals that we may be heading in the right direction.

Two, Perry Minasian needs to show Arte Moreno--and the fans--that he can move the needle in the right direction. Eppler couldn't, and Minasian hasn't so far. While there are real and valid excuses this year, ultimately the results are what matters most. If Perry can't move the needle, then his job becomes at risk.

Three, and perhaps most importantly, Ohtani. "Look, Shohei, it is only 82 wins, but we're heading in the right direction. We went from 73 to 82 wins...next year with your help, we should be able to get to 90."

So it matters, maybe rather hugely. The fans need to see it, the players need to see it, Arte needs to see it, and Shohei needs to see it.

Jesus, what more can he do to get us from 82 to 90, that he already hasn't done? It's the other guys that need to either stay healthy or play better.

19 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I'm sorry, but there is literally zero reason to trade O'Hoppe. He's a 23-year old catcher who is plus on both sides of the plate, the pitchers like him, and he's got FIVE full seasons of club control after 2023. He's almost certainly going to be at least a 3-4 WAR player. There's literally no rebuilding plan in which you get rid of a guy like this (i.e. no one plans to compete in 6+ years).

Now if the Angels still suck in 3-4 years, maybe you trade O'Hoppe. Maybe.

I can see Moniak, if someone over-values him due to his hot streak this year and offers a higher upside prospect or good young pitcher.

That's a lot to assume from 53 at-bats this season. You're putting him up there with Matt Olson, Jose Ramirez and Cody Bellinger.

42 minutes ago, totdprods said:

If Shohei really liked playing here and wanted to win here still, wise thing to do is be traded for a haul and then re-sign here.

Has there ever been a case in baseball history where a team traded away a player for two months, getting a "haul" in return, and then re-signed said player in the offseason?

I'm sure it's happened, but I couldn't think of an occasion where it did.

It's why I don't think you are getting a "haul" (although I guess it depends on what you mean by "haul") when opposing GMs understand it's a 2-month rental, and no guarantee beyond that.

Season over

5 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

Watching the angels fans on social media and to some extent this website oscillate between insisting that the Angels have actually GOT GUD this year and HUUUURR DUUUUR FIRE EVERYONE every 3/4/5/6 days is actually a lot more fun than watching the team.  I don’t know what that means.  Probably nothing good vis a vis the Angels actually getting somewhere this year.  <shrugs> 

First time "vis a vis" has been used on this board?  Props.

12 hours ago, Stradling said:

Call it what you want but an 88 win team is a good team. Yes that series blew. 

88 wins in 1985 was a good team. And in 1995.  Probably even in 2005.

With so many teams tanking now, if you win 88 games, you have to look at the opponents to provide context to the season.  If the Angels get 10 wins against Oakland and let's say 4 against KC, then 14 out of the 88 wins (16 percent) would be against teams not trying to be competitive. 

I think the sign of a good team in 2023 is whether or not you make the playoffs, and how you do once you get there, especially with so many teams eligible.  And yes, I realize the AL Central winner may get in with 84 wins, but nobody is going to consider that team a contender.

So we won't really know if they are a good team until the season ends.

4 hours ago, Swordsman78 said:

Agreed that the media any people invested in other teams are doing all they can to hype Ohtani price out of the Angels price range.

 

Always the media's fault with the small-minded people.

And if the media ignored Shohei, you'd complain about that too.  "Aaron Judge/Mookie Betts/Yankee/Dodger bias" or some BS.

13 hours ago, Jay said:

Funny how some people fall in love with the GM. We've seen this time and time again.

I don't disagree with the OP but it's hard to get overly excited about a 3rd-place team.

 

Yep.  I remember Eppler's first year.  People here calling him "Eppy" like they were his best friend and developing man crushes on him.

So weird.

A "good team playing bad" for 30 games is not a good team.

Burt Ward > Sela Ward > Taylor Ward 

3 hours ago, Docwaukee said:

they're a good team that isn't winning as many winnable games as they should be.  In years past, they just weren't very good.  

With all respect, you've posted this in a lot of threads but there's nothing to back it up.  Especially the first four words.

5 hours ago, nando714 said:

20 games into the season and according to Passan the season is over 

He didn't say that

9 minutes ago, Ender said:

If I was that fan I would have leaned into Rendon's swing and gotten some sweet $$$$ ... also kinda soft to take a swing at a fan for simply being called a bitch. 

 

That isn't very Christian of him. 

 

Rendon is a practicing Christian.^[68] He stated in a 2018 interview, "at the end, I want to be more ‘Christian’ than ‘baseball player.’"^[69]

 

Actually, what Rendon did is pretty much Christianity in 2023.

Does Walsh have a history of concussions?  That's what I thought of immediately (note: I'm not a doctor and am not making a definitive medical analysis).

5 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

Can't believe the AngelsWin account actually posted this.  Elon fanboys are the weirdest.  

5 minutes ago, NotOhtaniFanBoy said:

Ohtani is not as good as the hype from his fanboys, and so the excuse now is "It is hard to be a pitcher and batter", or it is hard to be a pitcher"?!!  LOL!  That sounds like an admission from the loser Ohtani fanboys that Ohtani is neither a great batter and nor a great pitcher!  When Ohtani is decent, fanboys scream in ecstasy!  But when Ohtani is mediocre, it's the rain and it's just hard to be a pitcher and batter!  You fanboys are so pathetic!

Sir this is a Wendy's