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The Trash Pandas.

Lack of pitch recognition, a fundamental school they're supposed to refine through the developmental process in the minor leagues. But when your system is broken, teams never help these players develop the necessary skills and thus the player has a complete inability to adjust. 
They only get by for a short period of time because of their immense physical tools and athleticism. So David Dahl is toiling in the anonymity of AAA. 
See Jo Adell. 

To add some positivity to this thread, I for one am glad to see the offense rolling at full steam with Trout back and averaging 1.3 runs per game as opposed to their usual 0.8 runs per game. 

To add some positivity to this thread, I for one am glad to see the offense rolling at full steam with Trout back and averaging 1.3 runs per game as opposed to their usual 0.8 runs per game. 

How about earlier realization that it may have been a great platoon.  Albert looking good since leaving the angels because he hits almost all lefty pitching.  The dodgers unlocked that simple puzzle. 

To add some positivity to this thread, I for one am glad to see the offense rolling at full steam with Trout back and averaging 1.3 runs per game as opposed to their usual 0.8 runs per game. 

To add some positivity to this thread, I for one am glad to see the offense rolling at full steam with Trout back and averaging 1.3 runs per game as opposed to their usual 0.8 runs per game. 

He's basically proven that he'll only bother to play well for the Cards out of spite for anyone else, so obviously not

I'm confused, does Nevin's constant scowling and yelling not count as emotion? If that doesn't fire the team up I don't know what will

You know how the Rockies developed Arenado, but the rest of their hyped guys in the past decade have mostly flopped? Tapia, Hampson, Dahl, Rodgers, McMahon...
It turns out, Arenado is the exception, not the rule, in fundamentally broken organizations. 
The Angels and Trout. 

Eppler used to say that Adell would tell him (with his play) when he was ready. Then he got desperate for his job and promoted him before he was ready (and because there was no minors for Jo to spend the year at). O’Hoppe will make it clear when he’s ready to come up. He needs to have a run of sustained success at multiple levels. That’s why I think the Angels need to sign a 1B catcher next year. O’Hoppe shouldn’t be the plan for next year. 

I think this is the key point.
Maddon may or may not have been a great manager. I have no idea 
But this team has been poorly constructed for years. And I used to point this out all the time in the Sosh years.
Managers can lose games. Pulling or not pulling pitchers at the right time.
But it's hard for anyone who's not playing the game themselves to make the guys actually playing good or bad.
Most people from this board could have had good success "coaching" in the 2000s, with that roster. Most of us couldn't do much worse with this lineup.
"Hey, Shohei! Go out there and try to hit the ball hard! The rest of you.... uh... try! Try really hard! Try your best!"

Alternatively, we should try beating them more and being a better team, while also not striking out on pitches that are thrown at the hands. Bad teams don't have much of a leg to stand on. 
Also why are we already trying to preemptively defend Nevin's potential jackassery?

This is the one that never made sense.  I can see the argument for those that wear it outside, maybe they still believe what we were first told and to mask up whenever you're in public, fine.
But when you're alone in your car? Scared of your own respiratory droplets? 

Not to be a one-upper, but I still see people driving alone in their cars wearing masks.
We stopped wearing masks in Arizona probably a year ago lol. The office I went into for work once or twice a week (corporate building) stopped requiring masks back in January. 

I guess this is where I get to flip the script one you and point out that "I don't think any single person has said people shouldn't be frustrated."   Because let's be real here, there are more people "punting" on Adell than there are telling others not to be frustrated (zero). 
As far as anyone who wants to see something goes.  Rengifo.  Reid Detmers showing he's more than a 4th or 5th starter without an out pitch. Suarez not being a DFA candidate.  Sandoval reaching the 100 IP barrier and remaining injury free.  Taylor Ward's last 150 games amounting to a 120 OPS+, and maybe even Fletcher looking like he may have just been struggling due to the injury seem to be something.
There have been plenty of somethings, unfortunately there hasn't been enough winning for people to focus on those things instead of the usual this guy isn't Mike Trrout so he sucks BS. 
Most stats people use  are a measure of what, not why -- I've always been more interested in the why .vs the what -- and the best argument to take in any conversation about Adell is to point out how while he's doing well in some of those areas he's doing awfully in others..   The predictive data has long been warning of potential problems.
I'm not attempting to dismiss good or bad performances, I won't pull a Maddon and argue results don't matter  -- in Adell's case it's easy to argue he hasn't been close to good yet, but there reason to believe he can improve -- that's the focus for me.  Plus my expectations weren't based on FG/BBA rankings or triple slash stats, so... I'm not at other people's level of frustration. 
Lastly, IMO. it's BS to argue that anyone looking at more than non predictive results is essentially guilty of making a weak argument like "he's making more productive outs".  There is actually something to predictive data and no, productive outs aren't predictive in ANY way.
Eventually sure...  But we aren't there yet are we?  Purely rhetorical because I know you're in the same waiting pattern I am with Adell.  But other's HAVE in fact decided he is what he is.
I just know I spent most of the last two months watching him hit and thinking -- what is he doing, that's not him.  I have no idea if they were pushing wait for your pitch and try to elevate because you're a strong guy and should be hitting for more power but., he was tentative and at the same time seemingly pull happy at times.   Not the stay back and hit to all fields guy he was at every level coming up.
FG prospect stuff has really dropped off since Kiley McDaniel bolted.  They used to have like 5 guys doing it -- talent drain and Covid layoffs seemingly have hit them hard.
I don't know if it's just a case of one guy being asked to do too much and having to rely on secondhand info or strictly stats, but they just aren't doing the same amount of work or getting as much right as they used to.  It's not even the rankings that have given me pause, it's been their actual descriptions of a player's strengths/weaknesses -- stuff you know is wrong if you've watched them play.  It's not just guys like Adell either,  they completely glossed over Jared Kelenic's complete inability to hit anything but FBs.  They have taken the BBA/MLB com tendencies to gush over incoming draftees and rank them based on reputations too.  They along with BB Prospectus used to be much more data based than that.
I think it's incredibly difficult for any one site to have a good gauge on every minor leaguer simply because of the huge number of players we are talking about, but there is no question in my mind that FGs has fallen off.  
I used high risk high reward and boon or bust both... not sure they are interchangeable but both probably apply.
I think Adell needs reps mostly and I'm betting against him being a good defender ever.  I wouldn't say I'm expecting things to click for him, I just think he's gotten by on pure athleticism for so long he's not had to improve his skills.  At times I wonder if MLB is the place for him to be doing that.  I genuinely don't think the Angels have done a good job with him, that first call up was a massive mistake IMHO.  Not giving him a pass or really trying to shit on the team.  He's always been hard to to figure because he's got some really great intangibles (smart, work ethic), but really huge flaws, but everything about how they handled him during that covid season screams mistake.
I also think he's got so much going for him physically that he could fluke his way to some very good seasons based on exit velos and the sort alone.  Mostly when I look at him I see a guy that really needs to reign himself in.  If he does that, I see a guy that will likely have a career full of wildly varying performances.  There is a ton of hit and miss there -- much more than is normal.
Those tools are super loud, he needs to really up his skill game.

I don't have the MiLBTV subscription (the Trash Pandas game last night might change that) but I did go to plenty of games in San Berdo when they were the High A affiliate. Not quite as interested in low A ball, not much talent filtering so it's all over the place for picking out talent.
That said, I watched Adell in High A and was impressed with is play at the time. I posted here before he looked more like a guy that was on a MLB rehab start rather than a 19 year old working his way up the ladder.
In retrospect I don't remember him having any challenging hits come his way and he fielded everything cleanly. The speed he had really helped shrink the field so fly balls Taylor Ward watch drop right now, Adell would get to easily. His hitting was simply adaptation to the talent level he was at and he did it rather quickly, so much so they promoted him way too early. 
And that was the start of the problem. Lost in all that athleticism was so much he still needed to learn but rushing up to the next level his focus was always his hitting because that is what most people focus on, like you said, the triple slash line.
The next time I saw him was in the AFL and he was struggling, more so than Marsh. His defense was on display because the hits were coming off bats at MLB exit velocity, not High A. And the pitching was as well, at MLB velocity and break and he wasn't up to that speed yet. And yet they promoted him the following year to the MLB club, way before he was ready and that wasn't helpful for his growth either.
Where does he go from here? I have to think the rest of the season of play is what he might as well do at the MLB level and stockpile all of that information and spend the winter at Driveline seeing if his notebook of holes to fill in can be check marked. What he brings to Spring Training will determine if he take the field in Anaheim or Salt Lake.
I like the guy so I hope it's Anaheim. 

I'll bounce off @Inside Pitchbecause he's far smarter than I am. 
As a catcher, which is a really difficult position to develop, he should get accustomed to working with all the pitchers we drafted who are currently in AA. Why bring him up now? The season is lost. 
You want him coming up here and playing with these idiots instead of continuing to develop on our most successful farm team? No way. Let him keep doing his thing. It doesn't help him or the Angels to call him up right now. This team is a fucking clown show. I don't him anywhere near that right now.

My parent company is in Canada, I experienced this firsthand. Thankfully I'm 100% remote now. 

As a Canadian, let me tell you Canada has one of the most restrictive, authoritarian governments around. But I will refrain from getting into politics. 

Hopefully most of them.

Easily one of the worst players I’ve ever seen

LOL...   You know the season's gone in the toilet when people are debating whether or not the team won a trade it DIDN'T make.