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  1. 41 minutes ago, angelsfan100 said:

    Can we just have fun? I'm not telling people how to "fan" or whatever, but constant negativity is getting quite old and tired. Yes, Arte sucks and needs to sell the team. But how about we just enjoy some Angels baseball? I see probably more negativity on social media than I do here. However, it's just growing tiresome. 

    For those of us who don't believe that "Arte sucks", your post qualifies as "negative."

  2. I WOULD like to thank Chuck, Geoff, and Victor for all their hard work bringing us these podcasts, but this last podcast regarding the "this is where players go to die" was just both too true and too depressing.  What was even more depressing was when Geoff said that any free agent we sign probably doesn't want to win, otherwise they wouldn't come to Anaheim. 

    Merry Christmas to the crew, I'm just gonna skip it this year.

  3. On 12/12/2023 at 8:26 PM, aznhockeyguy said:

    What's to explain? Shohei wanted to win badly, so he picked a franchise that has won a lot of regular season games, division titles, and have been to the playoffs every season since he's arrived to MLB, that also has have stability in their front office and manager, with a great support staff.  He also received the biggest contract in MLB history and only have to move about 25 miles up the 5 freeway to make this happen. 

    Angels had 6 seasons to show Shohei what a great organization they were, only for Arte to cheap out at every corner, had 4 different managers during his 6 seasons here, and never having a winning MLB season since arriving. 

     

    The explanation is, we're a shit franchise, the Dodgers aren't.

    He also must have been frustrated by the Trout and Rendon situations.  Shohei would play both games of a doubleheader, while Rendon refused to explain his injury, and Trout shut himself down after one game of an attempted comeback.  

  4. 1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

    This brings up the question: As of now, what would Trout fetch on the free agent market? I assume no one would want to give him more than 3-4 years, but let's assume the deal would be locked at 7 years, like the remainder of his contract. How much would teams be willing to risk for the name "Mike Trout" for seven years, age 32-38?

    I'd guess something like $20-25M a year, or 7/$140M to 7/$175M. No way to defend that really, just a hunch.

    So let's say a Trout trade requires the Angels to cover the difference. Right now he's owed $260M. So in my calculations, the Angels would have to swallow roughly $100M of his remaining contract, give or take a couple 10s of millions. But let's go with $100M. More if the Angels get something of value in return, less if they get nothing.

    Is "saving" that $160M worth it? That's a lot of yacht fuel, but you're trading away the franchise's best player ever, which will lose quite a bit of ticket sales. It ignores the non-quantifiable value that "Mike Trout" brings to the franchise, not to mention the possibility that he has a career renaissance of some kind.

    I would argue there really aren't realistic scenarios where trading Trout has value to the team - not unless they don't have to pay much and/or they get a basket of prospects in return. I mean, in the end they'd still be paying him $15M a year or so to play for someone else.

    Anthony Rendon is another matter. There's still a chance he is a useful player for a few years, but he's really provided no value for three years now and has very little value, even as a free agent. If he was a free agent now, I don't think he'd get more than a 1/$15M "prove it" contract. Spread over his remaining three years, maybe 3/$30M, or a few bills more. So the Angels would have to swallow probably something like $85M or so of his remaining $115M. So that doesn't really fly, either.

    The only way Rendon gets traded is if he has a comeback year and the Angels are out. Then someone might take a flyer on him, with the Angels dumping most of his salary. Again, only in the case of the combination of comeback year and Angels sucking.

    Agree.  The unfortunate truth is that both Rendon AND Trout would clear waivers.

  5. Leadership from our veterans.  Something is suspect when our rookies (O'Hoppe and Neto) sense the leadership void and choose to shoulder the load.  A true clubhouse leader NEVER would have let Rendon get away with the crap he chose to do last year.  Tony NoBags also displayed his disrespect for both Nevin AND the rest of the Halos.  

    The fact that Ron Washington is on record saying that he will teach Trout and Rendon how to be leaders, also speaks volumes.    

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