angelsnationtalk

2 minutes ago, Hubs said:

They said this wasn't exclusive list, but even adding the Yankees and the Giants makes this list a decent list. The fact that the Angels are still on it, makes me hopeful.

No one will say exclusive because anyone talking about it is full of shit. Just their cute way of saying "disclaimer in case i'm way off".
But yeah, i'm a tad hopeful too.

Those guys should perform better than their freshman year. That's the whole idea behind player development and adjusting to the league. 

If anything they needed a freshman 15....

1 hour ago, Chuck said:

 

Seems like anyone could have confirmed that. Surprised he didn't list the Giants either. 
It really boils down to the Angels and Dodgers. 
Dodgers can offer money and win-now team
Angels can offer money and comfort. 

Something i've been thinking about would be the idea of Arte swooping in and telling Ohtani he will spend for additional help like Yamomoto and/or others. Plus trades. There has to be a reason they didn't want to trade him and Arte took back the team. I wouldn't be shocked if he comes back home. 

The other part of me hopes Ohtani feels like he owes it to the Angels in a small form. They let him do whatever he wanted and his injuries definitely hasn't helped the team. Part of their failures is on him is a small way. (This will trigger some people).

5 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Front line starting pitching is the biggest weakness. 

PREACH!!!

Rosenthal says the Blue Jays are getting trade calls on both Guerrero and Bichette https://t.co/rVfPfy9ZP2

— Josh Goldberg (@JGoldberg12) November 28, 2023

Ohtani news this week before the Winter Meetings?.... Or nah?

The Cubs and Reds are among the teams active in trade conversations for Cleveland’s Shane Bieber and Tampa Bay’s Tyler Glasnow, sources confirm. @MLBNetwork @MLB

— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) November 28, 2023

8 hours ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

That is far too much money to pay one player, especially one pushing 30. There are also warning signs, in the form of two arm injuries that may turn him into a full time DH within the next 3-4 years. As much as I have enjoyed watching Ohtani play and I have marveled at his production, I'm ready to move on. The club made adjustments for him that adversely affected other players. Let somebody else overpay and wreck their payroll for years to come.

But imagine the Angels signing Ohtani and then doing other things to make the playoffs? That would be a fun as hell type story. Imagine the Dodgers whiffing on Ohtani and Yamomoto.

A guy can dream.....

2 minutes ago, totdprods said:

lol you guys, this is like a breath away from being a minor league deal. It's less than a mil for like a 35 year old lefty. It's basically just a fringe depth move with a little more guarantee to it.

We basically need an entire bullpen this winter (IMO) and they need to make a few cheap deals like this.

haha yeah you're right. I'm just going to stay "Aggressive" all offseason for fun because I think this will be a tough one for the Angels. Just going to have some fun with it.

"Aggressive"

9 hours ago, FromJapan said:

On November 22, Yamamoto watched the Los Angeles Lakers vs. Dallas Mavericks game at Crypto.com Arena.
Did he come to see Rui Hachimura or something else?

 

 

Wasn't Kikuchi at a Ducks game and then signed with the Mariners? 
At this point, it's just a basketball game and that's all. 

5 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Assets I was thinking of are Drury, Carlos E. and maybe Tyler Anderson. I do not trade Detmers or Sandoval and I'm not for tearing it down but build around. Only if this off season halos cannot sign any impactful players. 

I would shop around Sandoval and Ward 100%

This one was actually very tough to think about. I'll go with the "F-it response"

Who do you think will be the Angels first MLB free agent signing this off-season?
Shohei Ohtani. Before winter meetings. This is why they haven't been "aggressive" yet. They want to get Ohtani done and build around it. 

Who will be the biggest name free agent they sign this off season?
Ohtani for FA..... another top SP via trade.

I'm prepared for a dumpster fire season, however....

"I think he is going to value comfort... I'm not ruling out [a return to] the Angels..."@JonHeyman chimes in on the latest rumors regarding Shohei Ohtani.@MadDogUnleashed | #HighHeat pic.twitter.com/c1YJuT91Xy

— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) November 21, 2023

2 hours ago, EdmontonAngelsFan said:

 

Define aggressive...... $500M to Ohtani Aggressive? Miss out on Ohtani and spend $500M for various areas aggressive? Or (3) 1yr deals aggressive? 

I've heard them say aggressive before and it hasn't worked out.

Either Perry is being hush hush.... but he seemed like he knew Ohtani is gone haha

41 minutes ago, totdprods said:

is Perry ok

I thought he looked nervous as hell

Just now, Chuckster70 said:

Loved what Ron said about his time with Arte Moreno. 

Perry and the media picked it up right away...

Love his passion, reminds me of Maddon and his "Angels way" mentality. Hope it works out. 

Also.... it took the press 2 questions to bring up the race card. Jesus.

43 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Let’s just do that next winter Arte.

I know the past is easy to point to but it’s not like he can’t change. Last winter he wanted Trea Turner and Perry talked him down. 

I truly think this team can be very well-positioned to contend annually starting as soon as 2025, but tempering expectations this year and ‘rebuilding’ for a season would be the best way to ensure that.

He did a good job by listening, but my gut tells me he thinks he made a mistake doing it while watching Turner tear in up in the postseason and the Angels miss the playoffs.

12 hours ago, totdprods said:

And I don't think they even need to go really far to accomplish this.

Still think they need to move Sandoval for an MLB-ready young hitter, a la Sal Frelick or Jordan Westburg or Garrett Mitchell, Vaughn Grissom. Sign someone like a Jack Flaherty to hopefully hold down that spot with a 4.25 ERA. 
Flip Estevez for the best prospect you can get, and sign another non-closer FA RP to take his place. Hopefully he replicates what Estevez did and becomes mid-year trade bait himself. 
If you can move Drury now, go for it. Go ahead and sign an Anderson or Merrifield or Urshela or Kiner-Falefa to a reasonable deal and have them serve as some insurance. Thaiss can get some work at the corners too, plus you've maybe got someone like Jordan Westburg now in the fold. 

Sign a Montas or Severino maybe a Giolito to a one-year deal and hope they can be flipped a la Syndergaard in '22. Let Perry keep drafting the way he has been, and you've added someone from the Sandoval trade, Estevez trade, Drury trade, the draft, and whoever is flipped at the deadline on one-year deals and you're in great shape headed into '25 IMO, with money to spend next winter.

I love this idea, I really do. And I fully endorse it....

But this scenario is the kind where you present this to Perry in the WAR room with Arte sitting in the corner and when he hears this he jumps up saying " no no no, we don't need to rebuild, we're so close to winning I just need to spend $200+M on a 31+ year old"

No Matter what happens, I just hope our fanbase is prepared to only receive a comp pick after all of this. 

To me, that will be the biggest blow to this organization. I'm iffy on spending $50M+ on a guy, but Jesus they had 2 chances to rebuild their organization and shit on themselves both times. 

My gut feeling: Angels and Arte Moreno offer stupid money to do anything they can to keep him, miss out on the Ohtani sweepstakes and then Arte announces sometime this year that he is ready to sell. Like i've said all along, this is Arte's last "F-You" to the fans. 

21 minutes ago, floplag said:

Personally, im mixed.  No question there is a ton of baseball knowledge there and perhaps more importantly the ability to impart it, obviously good things, but also a lot of baggage.  I wasnt psyched about when i read it due to a lot of that the idea but thats moot now so ill support him.
I do think it likely speaks well to the overall direction.
Well see where it goes from here. 
I will say this, those who are ok with some of the baggage issues around him should be the same about other players as well. 

This team carries a TON of baggage so a little more won't hurt. 

Just bring back Scioscia at this point. 
He's younger than Buck and Ron.
This team hasn't been the same since he left.

Craig Counsell will manage next season, but NOT the Brewers or Mets, sources tell @TheAthletic. He is heading to a team with an existing manager. Mets hiring Carlos Mendoza, per @Joelsherman1 and @JonHeyman

— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) November 6, 2023