angelsnationtalk

1 hour ago, BTH said:

If Arte chooses the pivot, I think it's overpaying Bellinger or Snell.

If Perry chooses the pivot, I think it's a trade for a SP + a DH signing.

I agree to both, but both of these scenarios scare me. They can't compete. 

Best chances to compete are to sign Ohtani, trade for a strong arm and maybe take a run at Yamamoto. It's not my money and i'm tired of losing. 

5 hours ago, mmc said:

No idea how the hell we get one of these guys vs any other team bidding. Perry would need to be creative/aggresive.
Sandoval, Detmers, Ward, Moniak, Silseth, Dana, Adell and Paris are the only names that bring "value". Question is, how far are you willing to go?

Majority of those players you kind of need..... unless they do something else. Trade one of Sandoval/Detmers/Silseth for a top arm then make hard push for Yamomoto? 

6 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Day two also a snore. 

I'd expect tomorrow to be the same as people start heading home.

I know it's a long offseason, but they'd help grow the game if they can have more of an NBA/NHL free agent week.

2 minutes ago, Ron Mexico said:

 

In hindsight, is Ron just confirming that the've been asked by Ohtani's camp for everyone to stay hush hush? Maybe that's all this meant. 

It’s funny that all these teams are unable to keep their meetings from being public.

All teams except, one… the same team that has proven to keep their word when it comes to letting Ohtani dictate what he wants to do with his body & playing time.

Feel like trust could be a… pic.twitter.com/0K9aYzaveW

— vinnie (@VinRBI) December 5, 2023

Thought this was an interesting thought.

4 minutes ago, totdprods said:

The Dodgers/Dave Roberts being so open about Ohtani leads me to think he isn't signing there, and they're hoping when that becomes public it will look like he spurned them, and not that they didn't do enough to lock it in. 

Either that or Roberts is doing his classic "choke when it matters" act.

1 minute ago, EdmontonAngelsFan said:

Have a feeling Ohtani is holding everything up.

It's obvious and it's not the players holding up to see $ amount. It's the other teams waiting for their next course of action. 

If he comes back to the Angels then suddenly the Blue Jays and Dodgers fire to the trade market. 

Also why the Angels haven't made moves yet. They're waiting on Ohtani.

Winter Meetings have been a bust so far

Few people on the outside give them much of a chance, but some members of the Angels have privately felt confident about their chances to retain Shohei Ohtani throughout the offseason, even though his price tag might reach $600 million. https://t.co/XLopFBecrH

— ABC7 Eyewitness News (@ABC7) December 5, 2023

Leave it to ABC7 news to show the most detail regarding the Angels. They're the onyl people that have openly said the Angels feel confident in retaining him...... No writer really knows at this point. HA.

Eduardo Rodríguez's free-agent market is moving quickly, and he could reach a decision prior to Shohei Ohtani.

Rodríguez is in Nashville and has had multiple in-person meetings with teams, as @JonHeyman first reported.@MLBNetwork @MLB

— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 5, 2023

46 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

Ohhhhh so THAT is what Wash was referring to..... Got it.

3 minutes ago, Blarg said:

I really think the Angels need to let the unicorn go and build a conventional 5 man rotation. 

They can sign him and still have a 5-man. Dude won't pitch.

Sounds like the #Angels are interested in RHP Yoshinobo Yamamoto, according to Alden Gonzalez of ESPN.https://t.co/fBXdopyMur pic.twitter.com/HJgi0QDKJU

— Beyond The Halo (@BeyondTheHalo) December 4, 2023

Angels look like a sleeper team. That would be spicy seeing them get both.

Perry sounds a little too bullish on Stassi and Rendon. 
Just hope they aren't blinded with their decisions heading into this week.

Sources: Braves are among the teams still engaged with Shohei Ohtani’s camp, as I reported in this @MLBNetwork segment. @MLB pic.twitter.com/lP4lISzttN

— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 4, 2023

I fear the Braves more than the Dodgers

42 minutes ago, Blarg said:

It wasn't about the tax. It was about the compensation pick if they lost Ohtani to free agency. If they are over the cap they get a 4th round instead of second round pick. 

Ohhh right..... So basically it will go from a massive slap in the face to a hard slap in the face. 

I was hoping Ohtani would sign before the Winter Meetings, but it seems like that won't be the case. 

Here's hoping the next few days are WILD.

Biggest concerns:
Starting Pitching
Bullpen
Third Base
Left Field
Right Field
 

They need a lot to compete.

3 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Bidding will reach 600 mill

 

Ohtani will get a truck load of cash, but I don't think it comes down to the highest bidder. 

The Angels have been much quieter this offseason than the past few. If I recall, they were making ML trades/signings before the Winter Meetings the last two years. I wonder if this has to do with their "Plan A, Plan B, Plan C" wondering the outcome of Ohtani. 

I would have thought they'd try and get those supporting deals done so Ohtani can see improvement. Time will tell.

Jeff Passan reports that the #Angels are “among those confirmed by sources to be still in the bidding” for Shohei Ohtani, along with LAD, CHC, and TOR.

TEX, BOS, and NYM “have turned their attention to other players, sources said.”https://t.co/XbhBlAoRMW

— Beyond The Halo (@BeyondTheHalo) December 1, 2023

4 hours ago, totdprods said:

In a vacuum, this is 100% accurate and very doable, IMO. The problem is there are quite a few other teams who can do exactly this same scenario plus offering something better than what we could to get Burnes, and that's what makes it difficult. What type of package can the Angels offer before it starts to become detrimental to the club today, to the point where it either cancels the benefit Yelich and Burnes brings, or the point where it eats away MLB depth enough that they have to pay elsewhere for low-tier FA landmines. 

I do really like Yelich despite the rough stretches he's had and the contract, and think a change of scenery/return home could suit him well. I really like the safe 70-80 walks he'd bring in. 
One curious thing I've noticed - he went opposite field dramatically more last year...wondering how eliminating the shift affected him. 

 

Agree to disagree. Teams absolutely can offer better prospects, however, I don't think a lot of them are willing to take on a contract like Yelich's. Obviously, the Brewers would retain some of the cash, but i'd be curious to see who's actually willing to take that kind of money. 

Dodgers could just offer straight prospects for Burnes and barely scratch their farm system.... Sadly. 

4 minutes ago, mmc said:

Both of the other teams laugh at your trade suggestions 

then rebuild and burn for 5 years

Offseason Plan: 

Sign Ohtani: 12yr $552M = $46 AAV
Sign Jordan Hicks: 3yr/$15M = $5M AAV
Trade Rengifo + Kochanowicz for Shane Bieber = +$7,200,000 AAV
Trade Silseth + Dana + Adell for Corbin Burnes = + $14,100,000 AAV

Gets you just shy of the $73M before hitting the tax.

IDK.......

57 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

It really comes down to how much Arte wants to win vs how much he wants to just make money. Up till now, he hasn't been willing to go the distance in terms of what he'll spend. Last year, though, he at least went over the tax (not sure whether we ended up over or not), so it gives you hope that maybe he actually does want to win. 

Dude doesn't have many years left to live so I hope winning is beyond making money at this point. He's already made plenty of money, hasn't won much.