AngelsFanSince86

12 hours ago, Trendon said:

yeah, the Angels don't fit for a Verlander deal.

as @totdprods said, the Mets are going to want to do a version of the Scherzer deal where they pay down some of his salary and buy a top 100 prospect.

The Mets also want to compete next year though. I could see them trading for a controllable pitcher plus protect(s). If the Angels included Canning or Sandoval, they wouldn't need to include a top 100 type prospect and then it immediately fills a need at SP for the next 2-3 years for the Mets. Not sure that's what they are looking for, but it makes sense to me.

2 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Why is boxing on instead of the game??

It's keeps switching back and forth. But mostly just boxing...

4 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

Now it's women boxing???? FIX THIS

Incredibly frustrating!

1 minute ago, Erstad Grit said:

My bally feed on Fubo just switched to boxing

Mine too. Switched to boxing, switched back to the game, and just switched back to boxing a minute ago...

1 hour ago, ScottT said:

 

Eh.  WS team?   Nm.  Im going to bed.  With myself. 

Yes. Angels won the world series in 2002. Arte bought the team in 2003. The team came with the roster that won the WS and a top tier farm. Once Stoneman (hired by Disney) retired, it was a quick downfall. But for the first 6 years the Angels continued to make the playoffs due partially to the original roster Arte inherited and also due to the farm (which he also inherited).

1 hour ago, TroutField said:

Correct me if I’m wrong but are we not 4-2 on the road trip? I know it was a couple of shitty losses to the blue jays but we weren’t going to go 9-0 or even 8-1. 7-2 is still on the table, but realistically 6-3 or even 5-4 isn’t disastrous. If they get swept in Atlanta it’s a different story. 

Yes, but they started the road trip like 5 games back from the wildcard and faced one the worst teams in baseball. Realistically they need to average 2 out of every 3 games against good teams. They need to do even better against bad teams. They've done their part against bad teams, but have struggled against good teams. I am ignoring the Detroit series. They need to go at least .500 against the Jays and braves and really should do better than that if they want to stay in the race. To do that they need to at least get 2 from the braves. Otherwise they are still 5 games out when they come back to Anaheim.

Keep in mind they went 9-3 in their last 12 and only gained a game on a wildcard spot. That's why 5-4 doesn't even come close to cutting it for this road trip.

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

Is today day 7?

Before today's game, yes. Afterwords, we went back to day 1. If we win tomorrow it's day 2. If we lose tomorrow, it's straight to day 5. 

2 hours ago, Torridd said:

From the start I'll say that I'm a huge Autry fan and am disillusioned by Moreno. However, we didn't win much under Autry and none of his teams had playoff streaks like Moreno's. Why was Autry so loved?    

Arte inherited a WS team and rode the success and great farm system built by Stoneman. As soon as Arte had to fill the GM position it was a quick slide from yearly to contention yearly mediocrity.

Autry was the founding owner and didn't meddle like Arte. It's also much harder to build a winner as a young franchise, especially one being built in the shadow of the dodgers. 

2 hours ago, totdprods said:

We’re also lefty heavy, both rotation and pen.

That's a good point

Kind of a moot point, but I feel like the package they sent over to the white Sox could have netted Snell and Hader. 

At least by the trade value website, it would have been more than enough value. 

Edit: plus, catcher is definitely a position of need for the Padres.

16 hours ago, Erstad Grit said:

FuboTV

Yep. This is probably the easiest/cheapest way. I have a Roku with the fuboTV app.

My thoughts are this:

1) The trade clearly makes them better. 

2) I said it before and I'll say it again: I think they should have traded Ohtani. They have won 6 out of their last 7 and gained like 1 game. Their schedule only gets harder. 

3) If they don't make the playoffs and/or don't retain Ohtani, they will go from a position of being able to gain 1-2 top prospects to instead losing 1 top prospect (and their top 2) for literally nothing. 

Last, but not least:

4) None of that matters because what is done is done. I'm an Angels fan and have been disappointed in this organization for so long. I'm letting it all go for the rest of the season and going all in. I'll be there 8/3/23 cheering them on per usual with a little more optimism this time.

41 minutes ago, TroutField said:

Sandy needs to go 7+ solid innings in an ideal world and pray the offense gives you some breathing room, if Silseth can give us 5-6 it would be icing on the cake. 

really puts the bullpen in a tough spot in Toronto, but we need to focus on tomorrow first. 

 

Luckily, Ohtani pitches Friday. Hopefully he can also go 7+ innings. That would take a lot of pressure off the pen.

Just now, mmc said:

So he should just play through internal bleeding?

That isn't my point at all. I'm speaking about his whole history with the Angels. No, he shouldn't play through internal bleeding. Yes, I think he'll milk the injury for as long as possible. 

This injury wouldn't be as frustrating if it weren't for the dozen others, including several "strains". And he always seems to be on the furthest end of potential return dates. 

I'm not trying to argue that he's faking this injury or should play through it. Someone mentioned that Nevin and others had commented about his desire to play. I only pointed out that there comments are meaningless because of course he's not going to openly state he doesn't care or want to play anymore. I'm also not saying for a fact that he doesn't care. It's my opinion that he doesn't.

I also think he milks every injury. Obviously this is worse than originally thought, but I have no doubt he'll milk it. In other words, I think most players with the same injury would be back sooner than he will. Again, it's just my opinion. 

He looks very apathetic when he plays.

5 hours ago, Stradling said:

You might want to fact check this. He was oft injured in DC as well. I’m sure he’s faking internal bone bleeding like one often does. 

He had one year where he missed significant time. One out of 6 years. Only other stuff I found was in 2018 he fouled a ball of his toe and missed a few games. Still played 136 games that year. So maybe I'm missing something, but that doesn't seem like much of an extensive injury history. 

I'm not saying he's faking the extent of this injury. Merely pointing out that what his coaches and/or teammates say about his desire to play doesn't really mean anything. And also pointing out the fact that he hasn't been able to play even half a season (with the exception of a short 2020) since he got here. 

I was listening to MLB radio the other day and they were talking about how a lot of players used to just play through injuries. I think at this point in his career, Rendon doesn't play through one ounce of discomfort. The second he feels something he's on the IL and he won't come off until he's 100% comfortable. That's just my opinion. 

10 hours ago, halomatt said:

It really sucks that he's hurt again.  I can certainly understand the frustration from many in this thread and on the forum in general.  The thing is, based on comments from his manager and members of the press, he wants to be out there, and is clearly frustrated that he can't be available.  Now, I have no idea what it's like to be a professional athlete, but I can't imagine these folks didn't get were they were by being complacent.  Most athletes seem like outliers in their profession, often putting in long hours honing their craft to get where they are. 

Like I said, I'm not a professional athlete.  I'm not even an amateur athlete, lol.  But I've had debilitating injuries before, most often with my back.  Man, when that lower back acts up and I'm turtled on my back on the bed and I need help from my wife getting upright, I wish more than anything that I was able to function. 

I hope he gets the help he needs to get back on the field soon. 

I don't know either way what Rendon wants. What the coaches/media says it's irrelevant though. You really think a player would say, "I'm not really that injured, I just don't feel like playing!"? He gives off those vibes, but he also has to deal with the coaches and fellow teammates. It's not that hard to over exaggerate an injury while still acting like you care.

That being said, there's no way to tell with rendon. All we know is that he's a guy who almost never dealt with injury, chose to go to the Angels to avoid "the Hollywood lifestyle", and then has been consistently injured.

8 hours ago, Docwaukee said:

2023 payroll is about $35mil higher than it's ever been.  Frankly, that's where it should be if you're going to continue to operate with a bottom third farm system.  But if that's the commitment for a few years then I like the Angels chances of becoming consistently competitive and if I were Ohtani, I'd stay.  At the end of the day, this could be a really good spot for him for the rest of his career as long as the commitment is there financially.    

Agreed. It seems Ohtani places a lot of value on his legacy and so it would make sense that signing with a middling franchise and ultimately bringing a title would be the ultimate goal. Leaving and signing with a WS level contender like the dodgers feels like when Kevin Durant joined the warriors. Sure they won, but it never felt like Durant was the missing piece. Just the guy that made the best team that much better.

That being said, if Ohtani really wanted to sign with the Angels, it seems like a no brainer to trade him for some elite prospects to improve their future and then sign him in the offseason. They are still in the mix, but even after winning 5 of their last 6 they've hardly gained ground. After the tigers they have the toughest schedule in baseball. I really hope the Angels and Ohtani can come to an understanding. I do feel Ohtani will not want a trade though because he'll feel they are still in the mix and the schedule doesn't matter.

Here's hoping I'm wrong, they don't trade Ohtani, they make the playoffs, and they sign Ohtani.

13 hours ago, Stradling said:

It’s been 20 years and idiots are still upset at the name change.  We really are a special group of people. 

I definitely understand not liking the name change, even after all this time. However, attributing the Angels shortcomings to the name change is just dumb and speaks volumes about the average Angel fan. 

This is a crazy hypothetical that I don't believe will happen, but what if Ohtani pulled a Tom Brady and decided to re sign with the Angels under market? Essentially, sign a contract with several opt outs in the case the Angels don't uphold their end of the bargain. $20M or $25M per year with the assumption that the Angels will do what it takes to build a winner (use the extra $25-30M per year elsewhere).

Ohtani makes so much just from endorsements. If he cares more about his legacy than anything else, it would make sense for him to go this route. He'll still make more than anyone in MLB history per year between contract money and endorsements. It would actually add to his legacy to go that route.

That being said, I still think the Angels should trade him and anyone else they can. Currently worried they will win just enough to convince themselves they are contenders, only to suck the rest of the season. 

29 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

I think this may be true as well. It would definitely solidify his legacy moreso than going to a team that may win a WS without his help.

That being said, if he really wants to win with the Angels, he should want to be traded. It gives him a chance to compete in the playoffs during his MVP year and also ensures that the Angels will get better in the near future. And then he can always sign with the Angels. It's only for a few months so it's not like he needs to uproot his life.

Edit: the bottom line is this: he either wants to stay or he wants to go. I highly doubt that trading him will have much of an effect on that. Not trading him at this point, regardless of what he decides, will be one of these most short sighted moves in the history of baseball.

18 hours ago, T-angel said:

If you were to tell Rendon he would be going to a playoff contending team with recent history of winning championships (i.e. the Giants) and that the Angels are going to go into rebuild mode, I believe he would wave the NTC. 

This is my opinion, but I really don't think Rendon will ever sign off on a trade. I truly feel that he doesn't care about baseball that much anymore. It's why he chose Anaheim over LA. He said it was because he didn't want his family subjected to the "Hollywood lifestyle" or something like that. However, I really think he just wanted to avoid the bigger spotlight. If he were on the dodgers, he'd be getting blasted in the media nonstop. On the Angels it's just, "meh, Angels signed another terrible contract and continue to waste Ohtani and trout's careers".

Here his failures are overshadowed by the Angels mediocrity. Elsewhere they would be magnified. I think he's happy to finish out his career chilling in OC getting paid millions to watch baseball every night.

18 hours ago, aznhockeyguy said:

If Ohtani is traded, Angels should look to include Anderson in any trade package to get away from that contract.  Rendon would be ideal, but he has a NTC. 

No way. Unless the team you're trading with places extra value on Anderson, you don't include anyone in the Ohtani trade. The whole point of trading Ohtani is to get multiple high level prospects. You absolutely need to maximize return. 

Rendon is what it is. Even without the NTC you'd have to pay 90% of his contract for someone to take him. He's essentially a wasted roster spot at this point.

3 minutes ago, gurn67 said:

Rendon will come back and struggle to hit even .150 for a few weeks, so I don't see what kind of boost that will be.

Yep. And then he'll finally go 3 for 5 with a double and a HR, but he'll stub his toe jogging around the bases and be out for another 3 weeks.

1 hour ago, jsnpritchett said:

Yep. Exactly.

On 7/12/2023 at 7:36 PM, TheLordofOuts said:

to have a good shot at the playoffs.  71 games, that's a record of around 47 wins and 24 losses.  So, after they sweep the Astros this weekend, that brings the total down to 44.  Fortunately, they play many of the opponents that are ahead of them, so it makes it easier to make up ground.  I am of the belief that they aren't nearly as bad as they had been the past 10 games.  

You keep Ohtani.  There is zero chance they get fair market value for him.  Trade for some pitching. You need some guys to come back like Neto and then if you get Trout, it's like getting an all-star in the heat of the race without losing anyone.  

This CAN happen.  Who's with me?

 

 

Lol. Maintaining that win % over 71 games is nearly impossible even for the best teams (which the Angels are not). Also, here is their schedule over the next month:

HOU, NYY, PIT, DET, TOR, ATL, SEA, SF, HOU, TEX, TB, CIN

With the exception of DET, PIT, and maybe SEA, every one of those teams is better than the Angels. And, with the exception of a couple of series, the Angels have been awful against "good" teams (those over .500). 

I would be absolutely stunned if they play over .500 during that stretch. I expect the Angels to finish the year at or below .500. 

Before all the injuries, I had some hope they could make the wildcard. But that was before the injuries and before they lost 13 out of their last 17 games.

This is a team that needs to trade Ohtani and Esteves and for once actually think about the long-term future of the team.