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Cdaniel reacted to Angelsjunky in "The Best Player(s) In Baseball"
ADDENDUM: TROUT as a Hitter, using wRC+
2012-19 wRC+
1. Trout 175
2. Votto 154
3. Judge 153
4. Cabrera 150
5. Ortiz 150
2019: Bellinger 192, TROUT 187, Yelich 185, Rendon/Alonso 161
2018: TROUT 191, Betts 185, Martinez 170, Yelich 166
2017: TROUT 181, Judge 172, Votto 164, Altuve 160
2016: TROUT 170, Ortiz 163, Votto 158, Donaldson 157
2015: Harper 197, Votto 174, TROUT 171, Cabrera 164
2014: McCutchen/Martinez 168, Abreu/TROUT 167
2013: Cabrera 193, TROUT 176, Davis 168, Werth 159
2012: TROUT 167, Cabrera 166, Posey 164, Braun 159
Interesting to note here that Trout has actually become more dominant as a hitter, leading the majors in each of the last three years, with a good chance of passing Bellinger and leading the majors again this year.
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Cdaniel reacted to Angelsjunky in "The Best Player(s) In Baseball"
We know its Trout - that is pretty much universally agreed by all but the most biased fans of this or that franchise player. We also know that it isn't particularly close, although there are always contenders in any given year - even players that have better years than Trout, although never by a huge margin. This year Cody Bellinger and Christian Yelich are comparable, although both in the NL. Last year it was Betts; in 2017, Trout finished a career-worst 4th in fWAR, although due to missing almost a third of the year to injury. We can go back to his rookie year and look at the top four ranked players by fWAR:
2019: Bellinger 5.4, TROUT 5.3, Yelich 4.6, Marte 3.7
2018: Betts 10.4, TROUT 9.8, Ramirez 8.0, Bregman/Lindor/Yelich 7.6
2017: Judge 8.2, Altuve 7.6, Stanton 7.3, TROUT 6.9
2016: TROUT 9.7, Betts 8.3, Bryant 7.8, Donaldson 7.6
2015: Harper/TROUT 9.3, Donaldson 8.7, Votto 7.3
2014: TROUT 8.3, Lucroy 8.1, Posey 7.8, McCutchen 7.4
2013: TROUT 10.2, Cabrera 8.6, McCutchen 8.1, Y Molina 7.8
2012: Posey 10.4, TROUT 10.1, Y Molina 7.7, Cano 7.4
Now that record is ridiculously impressive: Trout has ranked #4 or higher in each of his eight full seasons (assuming the pattern holds for the second half of 2019), and #2 or better in all but one season - a season he would have finished 1st if he hadn't lost 48 games to injury.
Even more impressive is the fact that not a single player has finished in the top 4 more than twice, and only half a dozen have done it twice: Posey, Y Molina, McCutchen, Donaldson, Betts, and Yelich. In other words...
Top 4 fWAR finishes 2012-19
8 Trout
2 Yelich, Betts, Donaldson, Posey, McCutchen, Y Cano
1 Bellinger, Marte, Ramirez, Bregman, Lindor, Judge, Altuve, Stanton, Bryant, Harper, Votto, Lucroy, Cabrera, Cano
So, yeah: Trout has clearly been the best player over the course of his career, and it isn't particularly close:
Total fWAR 2012-19 (so far)
69.5 Trout
46.2 Posey
38.6 Donaldson
37.7 McCutchen
36.3 Goldschmidt
34.8 Votto
33.7 Cano
The reason I list that out to seven is to make another point: Not only has Trout produced 50% more fWAR value over the course of his career than anyone else, but he's produced twice as much fWAR value as all but five other players.
BUT WHAT ABOUT RIGHT NOW?
Right now is 2019, but we can't exactly say that half a season determines who the best player is right now. But we don't want to go back too far, so how about 2018-19, or the last season and a half? Certainly that will even out any outliers or fluke hot (or cold) starts or breakthroughs that may or may not be sustained? Without further ado, here are the ten best current position players in MLB:
2018-19 fWAR (through 6/25)
1. Mike Trout 15.1
2. Mookie Betts 12.8
3. Christian Yelich 12.2
4. Alex Bregman 11.1
5. Matt Chapman 9.7
6. Francisco Lindor 9.6
7. Anthony Rendon 9.5
8. Cody Bellinger 9.0
9. Nolan Arenado 8.9
10t. Xander Bogaerts 8.5
10t. Manny Machado 8.5
Rounding out the top 20 are Javier Baez, Jose Ramirez, Max Muncy, Freddie Freeman, Yasmani Grandal, Trevor Story, JT Realmuto, JD Martinez, and Whit Merrifield.
(If you're wondering, Andrelton Simmons is #22 and would likely be in the top 20 if he hadn't been hurt this year)
Most notably absent in the top 20 are Paul Goldschmidt (#30) Jose Altuve (#33), and of course Bryce Harper (#42).
Anyhow, I feel comfortable saying that not only is Trout the best player in baseball, but Betts and Yelich--in some order--are #2 and #3, with Bregman a solid #4. Then you have a group of comparable players in Chapman, Lindor, and Rendon. If the trend holds, Yelich will be #2 by year's end and Bellinger could climb a bit, even challenge Chapman for #4.
Well, there you have it. Nothing new was really discovered, just a few details clarified: not only how much better Trout has been during his career than everyone else, but that he is still the head-and-shoulders best player right now.
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Cdaniel reacted to m0nkey in The Official 2019 Minor League Statline and Prospect Discussion Thread
Kid sucks, that’s a strike
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Cdaniel reacted to totdprods in Pujols not retiring
When you post a -2 WAR season and 80 OPS+ season at age 37, yeah, I would consider *any* positive WAR and league average OPS+ to be a legit rebound.
I didn’t say we couldn’t do better.
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Cdaniel reacted to Taylor in Pujols not retiring
I once created a fake account called "Carrot Anderson." My avatar was a picture of a carrot with Garret Anderson's face photoshopped in. I barely made one post (that wasn't even really a troll post, if I remember correctly) and was banned soon after.
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Cdaniel reacted to OhtaniSan in Pujols not retiring
Shut up Newbie. Get on my advanced member status and then we can talk
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Cdaniel reacted to angelswinsometimes in Pujols not retiring
Someone with half a brain would know...
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Cdaniel reacted to arch stanton in The Official 2019 Minor League Statline and Prospect Discussion Thread
Mine is Adell but it was taken before he had his morning coffee
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Cdaniel reacted to ten ocho recon scout in The Official 2019 Minor League Statline and Prospect Discussion Thread
How is Victors mom anyway?
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Cdaniel reacted to Chuck in The Official 2019 MLB Draft Thread
Whoever is selecting these pitchers better not be the same guy who recommended Allen, Cahill and Harvey.
Just saying.
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Cdaniel reacted to ScruffytheJanitor in The Official 2019 MLB Draft Thread
Not to toot my own horn, but I am one pick away from being happy. There are just so many good IF prospects this year that taking three-4 early seems like a good way to guarantee at least one really. really good one comes out. We've had far too many problems finding decent 2B/3B for me to hate on this pick.
Having said that, I wouldn't have hated the idea of Zach Thompson, but it's not like he's clearly better; he just fits the org needs a touch better.
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Cdaniel reacted to Amazing Larry in The Official 2019 MLB Draft Thread
Randy Johnson probably doesn't stick out like a sore thumb when he travels to Africa.
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Cdaniel reacted to Inside Pitch in The Official 2019 MLB Draft Thread
I'm ready for @John Smith to do his usual heavy lifting on draft day... Thanks in advance
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Cdaniel reacted to thebloob in June 15th & 16th Angels vs. Tampa Rays
Better start looking early for tickets, heard they will be tough to come by.....
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Cdaniel reacted to Docwaukee in Dipoto vs Eppler
tough to evaluate them independently because Eppler followed Dipoto and a lot of what he's done has been to repair the mess that was left. It's also really difficult to know how much influence Arte and even Scioscia had on personnel decisions or how much Arte has now. How much of JD's inability to build a farm was on Arte restricting the intl presence.
at the end of the day, Eppler seems to have us moving in the right direction and anything bad he's done is more easily reparable. Whereas JD caused long term damage with multiple moves on his watch yet he's taken a much different approach in Seattle
we'll probably never really know what sort of directive either has been given from the top down and how much of that was their own way vs. being highly influenced.
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Cdaniel got a reaction from T.G. in Gameday 5/15 Angels @ Twins (Walsh debut)
Seems like every game a ball gets away from Lucroy.
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Cdaniel got a reaction from Ace-Of-Diamonds in Gameday 5/15 Angels @ Twins (Walsh debut)
Seems like every game a ball gets away from Lucroy.
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Cdaniel got a reaction from Amazing Larry in Gameday 5/15 Angels @ Twins (Walsh debut)
Seems like every game a ball gets away from Lucroy.
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Cdaniel reacted to Docwaukee in The Brad Ausmus Files: Bour for Fletcher Part II
I think this is the first time where everyone on AW feels the same way.
congratulations Brad. You have aligned Israel and Egypt.