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    Loyalty

    in LA Angels | MLB Daily

    Posted · Edited by stormngt

    6 hours ago, REDneck said:

    Would any of you be loyal to this organization in it's current state in the face of a 700M contract?

    All the more to appreciate the loyalty of Weaver, Trout and Salmon.  That was the point of the post.  Not to bash Ohtani but to comment on loyalty.

    Loyalty

    in LA Angels | MLB Daily

    Posted · Edited by stormngt

    7 hours ago, T.G. said:

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    We heard it over and over again. Shohei Ohtani wants to win.  No kidding.  Every player wants to win.  Mike Trout wants to win. The difference between Trout and Ohtani is that Trout wants to win as an Angel. Ohtani just wants to win, period.

    There’s a difference.

    Trout wants to be a part of building a winner.  Ohtani wants to join one.

    We also heard over and over again that Ohtani isn’t necessarily about the money.  Well, I see about 700 million reasons to think that isn’t necessarily true.  I’m not judging Ohtani for taking the biggest contract in the history of professional sports.  Heck, no.  More power to him. 

    But… in the words of Jered Weaver, “how much do you really need?”

    Loyalty. 

    Weaver will always be beloved for it.

    When Tim Salmon approached free agency for the first time, he told his agent to take the first offer from the Angels.  Salmon was rewarded for his loyalty with a 2002 World Series championship and became the most beloved player in franchise history.

    Trout showed his loyalty when he also resigned with the Angels. He could have left.  Most around baseball thought he would.  He didn’t. 

    Loyalty.

    Salmon, Weaver and Trout’s loyalty isn’t lost on me.  I don’t think it’s lost on most fans.  There’s something special about players who come up through the organization and stay with the organization throughout most, if not all of their career.

    Ohtani leaving, makes me appreciate Trout’s loyalty more than ever. 

    I have enjoyed every moment of Ohtani’s time with the Angels. I believe he will go down in history as the greatest player of all time.  Losing him is disappointing.

    I can now understand what Cardinal fans must have felt like when Albert Pujols left to sign with the Angels.  I understand how disappointed Twins fans must have been to see Torii Hunter leave as well. 

    Then again – at least those two guys didn’t leave for a division or cross-time rival.

    That’s the thing.  It isn’t so much that Ohtani left the Angels. It’s that he left the Angels for the Dodgers.  The stinking Dodgers.  It’s kind of a slap in the face to Angel fans. The same fans that loved and supported him through his first six years in major league baseball.  The same fans who have lived in the shadow of Dodger fans for years.

    It also stings to know he asked not to be traded during this past season because he wanted to try and win with the Angels, only to turn around and head up the 5 freeway to Chavez Ravine when it didn’t work out. 

    No loyalty there.

    That's also not lost on me. 

    Again, the main take away for me isn't so much about Ohtani.  It's about an increased appreciation for Mike Trout and his loyalty to the Angels and their fans.  It's a rare thing this day and age, especially in professional sports.

    For the most part well said.  I agree completely on Trout, Weaver, and Salmon.  

    Maybe a little harsh on Ohtani "being disloyal".  But we should really appreciate true loyalty of the other three.

    Ohtani +1500 to return to Angels

    in LA Angels | MLB Daily

    Posted

    On 11/17/2023 at 8:45 AM, Jay said:

    SHOHEI OHTANI'S 2024 TEAM ODDS*

    Los Angeles Dodgers: +110 (bet $10 to win $21 total)
    Chicago Cubs: +350 (bet $10 to win $45 total)
    San Francisco Giants: +650 (bet $10 to win $75 total)
    New York Yankees: +800 (bet $10 to win $90 total)
    New York Mets: +800 (bet $10 to win $90 total)
    Texas Rangers: +900 (bet $10 to win $100 total)
    Boston Red Sox: +1000 (bet $10 to win $110 total)
    Seattle Mariners: +1200 (bet $10 to win $130 total)
    Los Angeles Angels: +1600 (bet $10 to win $170 total)
    Philadelphia Phillies: +1800 (bet $10 to win $190 total)
    Toronto Blue Jays: +2000 (bet $10 to win $210 total)
    San Diego Padres: +2000 (bet $10 to win $210 total)
    Any other team: +2000 (bet $10 to win $210 total)

    * odds as of 11/14/2023

    https://www.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/2023-mlb-odds-shohei-ohtanis-next-team-odds-including-dodgers-cubs

    So the odds approved!  

    Troy Percival & a potential shift in Angels pitching philosophy

    in LA Angels | MLB Daily

    Posted · Edited by stormngt

    11 hours ago, Tank said:

    when loup went on the IL early last season, he talked/complained about how the pitching analytics team wanted the staff overall to throw more breaking pitches (IIRC). it didn't seem to work as hoped for, and we saw guys like sandoval and detmers have setbacks in their development and performance last year. it seems to me that if the philosophy isn't working, then it needs to be revised and updated, and really be a fluid approach. 

    i'm not completely convinced yet that having an analytics team decide on how to pitch is the best approach, but i'm hopeful that it's something that can work better than it did last year.

    i'm sure someone else can say it much better than me, but i hope the gist of this comes through clearly enough.

    Analytics have great benefit, but you can't  treat it like a religion.  The players have to have confidence in it.  As stated by Loup, they didn't.   I am suspicious this is why just about every pitcher took a step back in 2023 from their 2022 performance. 

    OC Register: Angels’ Jo Adell is working out with Matt Holliday in preparation for key season

    in LA Angels | MLB Daily

    Posted

    27 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

    Having two guys catch most of their games last season who aren't really experts at leading a pitching staff in calling games with Thaiss and Wallach certainly did our pitching no favors. Stassi, meh as he is with a bat, is almost certainly a lot better at working with pitchers than those guys. Ditto, O'Hoppe.

    Team defense last season, especially with the shift getting the can, was probably also not doing our pitching any favors. That isn't to say they're all going to be all stars now with better catchers and a manager who is noted for his work on team defense should push us in a more positive direction. Obviously, who we get as a pitching coach will be consequential as well. 

    Remember those same pitchers who struggled last year did well the year before with veteran catchers.  I am not positive but it seemed like they did better under OHoppe as well.

    Angels hire Ron Washington as manager

    in LA Angels | MLB Daily

    Posted

    11 minutes ago, Hubs said:

    I tend to think the hiring of an experienced manager and the firing of Alex Tamin would dictate that this will no longer be the case. I doubt Snitker is getting in game notes from Alex Anthropoulous the way Nevin and Maddon were from Perry. More of overall strategy and analytical notes. Not pull this guy or use this bullpen arm.

    That would be great

    Gambling advice

    in LA Angels | MLB Daily

    Posted

    On 10/25/2023 at 12:13 PM, Erstad Grit said:

    At the start of the season I bet 25 bucks on the dbacks to win the WS which pays out 2500. ( I also won a ton on pirates over 67 wins but lost on angels making the playoffs)

    Should I lay 500 on the rangers as insurance or just let it ride?

    Take the insurance

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