John Taylor

It's spelled Klayton Crenshaw.  Just FYI.

8-16 with a 3.98 ERA and leading the NL in walks is top 20 in baseball?
He wasn't even the best pitcher on his team last year Tyler Mahle was.

Fair point. I'm still concerned about how many walks he has allowed, but the K/9 rate is pretty impressive as well. 
This is not the (Ken) hill I'm going to die on, so if he is much better than I realize and we land him for a decent price, I'm in.

8-16 with a 3.98 ERA and leading the NL in walks is top 20 in baseball?
He wasn't even the best pitcher on his team last year Tyler Mahle was.

I'll pass if i involves any of our blue chippers.

It happens. It's what pops up when you search for stats. 
Things like ERA+ and OPS+ are "sabermetric" stats but they're a good intro for beginners. 

I appreciate your input and I don't mean to come off like a dick. 
He does have some control issues for sure. The good news is he keeps the ball in the park. 
Your point is just as valid as mine. I just don't like raw ERA because it doesn't tell the full story. 

Don't use record and raw ERA as an indicator of how good/bad a pitcher is. 
His ERA+ was 120. That means his ERA was very good with park factors included.

As expected
 

I honestly don't think you can measure the value of someone like Ohtani.
Outside of the fact he is currently our best pitcher, and one of (if not) our best hitters, he also amplifies the profile of the Angels organization around the world. Even though Trout has been the best player of our generation, you can still argue that Trout may not have lifted the Angels into a more marketable and valuable team like other "all time greats" have in the past, but Ohtani has the effect of creating new Angels fans outside of our market, including making the Angels incredibly popular in Japan (I believe the most growth on both the AW website and the AW Twitter were from Japanese baseball fans)
With that being said, he needs to be untouchable for now, i mean even if you did trade him, at minimum you would need two frontline starters or else you've already lost, and there are no starters in MLB that have even close to the profile of Ohtani. Honestly I don't think there are any players in MLB. Vladdy Jr. could be a distant 2nd
I believe you only float the idea of trading Ohtani if the Angels feel like they wouldn't be able to sign him to a long term deal, other than that, back up the truck of money and lock him up, even if he doesn't hit the kind of historic season he had this year, his name value should be a net positive in return over a long period of time.

I really hope Ohtani's disgust at the state of the team lights a fire under Arte and Perry. Trout was never the kind of guy who would publically call out the Angels but Ohtani has no problem with it, which I actually love.
This team is an absolute mess right now.

I wonder if Ohtani asks to be traded this offseason.
Of course, the Angels don't have to oblige to that request. But that would show that he really means it when he says winning is most important to him and put even more pressure on Moreno/the Angels.

Here comes Javy Baez, Kyle Hendricks and Jason Heyward. 

At this rate we will have more PbP announcers than starting pitchers this season.
 
 

At this rate we will have more PbP announcers than starting pitchers this season.
 
 

My problem with Heaney which you can clearly see has translated to his tenure with the Yankees is his demeanor. @Chuckster70frequently talks about that "John Lackey" bulldog type pitcher that we seem to never have consistently since we lost Skaggs.
Heaney optimises the opposite of that, he showed promising stuff but was always rattled easily and could cruise to 2 outs in an inning and then just mentally collapse getting that final out.
Going to the Yankees is the worst possible place for him, he would have honestly been better off in Cleveland or Tampa, I don't see him as a Yankee next season.

My problem with Heaney which you can clearly see has translated to his tenure with the Yankees is his demeanor. @Chuckster70frequently talks about that "John Lackey" bulldog type pitcher that we seem to never have consistently since we lost Skaggs.
Heaney optimises the opposite of that, he showed promising stuff but was always rattled easily and could cruise to 2 outs in an inning and then just mentally collapse getting that final out.
Going to the Yankees is the worst possible place for him, he would have honestly been better off in Cleveland or Tampa, I don't see him as a Yankee next season.

My problem with Heaney which you can clearly see has translated to his tenure with the Yankees is his demeanor. @Chuckster70frequently talks about that "John Lackey" bulldog type pitcher that we seem to never have consistently since we lost Skaggs.
Heaney optimises the opposite of that, he showed promising stuff but was always rattled easily and could cruise to 2 outs in an inning and then just mentally collapse getting that final out.
Going to the Yankees is the worst possible place for him, he would have honestly been better off in Cleveland or Tampa, I don't see him as a Yankee next season.

My problem with Heaney which you can clearly see has translated to his tenure with the Yankees is his demeanor. @Chuckster70frequently talks about that "John Lackey" bulldog type pitcher that we seem to never have consistently since we lost Skaggs.
Heaney optimises the opposite of that, he showed promising stuff but was always rattled easily and could cruise to 2 outs in an inning and then just mentally collapse getting that final out.
Going to the Yankees is the worst possible place for him, he would have honestly been better off in Cleveland or Tampa, I don't see him as a Yankee next season.

Angels fans regret his career, too. Glad we have something in common. 

return of the low effort photoshop with Adell as Princess Leia 

return of the low effort photoshop with Adell as Princess Leia 

return of the low effort photoshop with Adell as Princess Leia 

return of the low effort photoshop with Adell as Princess Leia 

I ain't a Twit, but with a touch of sarcasm, I'll choose what's behind Door Number 4.