Angels in 2030

That's pretty much me. I've been "trade Ohtani" for the past year. And in trading him, flip a few more pieces.
But we didn't. And screw it... water under the bridge.
Since we didn't do that, have to at least try now.

You don't give up your two best prospects for him to suck against good teams.....he needs to at least keep us in the game.....

As much as many Angels don't want to think about it, there's a fairly strong argument to be made that the best thing for the organization's success the next 6-10 years is for Ohtani to leave via FA.  In the first 1-3 years, maybe less so.  Although that $50-60M could be put to good use with a good GM.  But after a few years, that contract could be a killer.  He's simply not going to be able to sustain the elite SP / hitting production to support that salary year after year.  Not to mention an injury, which is more likely as he gets older and continues to play both sides. 
But if you care more about the name brand of Ohtani being an Angel for life and all, then all of those issues do not matter.  The most likely scenario that plays out with this outcomes is you have Trout+ 2.0 -- amazing top shelf HOF as an Angel for life.....without on-field / playoff success.

LOL. I'm always baffled by how irate people get with differing views. I know your generation struggles with this, but it is OK to have different opinions on things. We're just talking baseball - lighten up and have fun.

You illustrate the conflicting feelings I have: On one hand, I don't like the overall picture--as my post illustrates. On the other hand, at least it is something and makes the stretch run interesting. I just don't see the overall moves as likely making much of a difference, and the overall cost doesn't feel worth it for two-month rentals.
The point being, even if you like what Minasian is doing, it is a gambit. There's a significant chance that come December, Ohtani has left and we're six prospects short. That would be rather bad and won't feel like it was worth it.

I'm not a fan of trading away the farm for a bunch of mediocre rentals. Years of control in exchange for a couple of months, only to impress Ohtani.
I want to see the Angels win but I don't give two shits about Ohtani being an Angel for life. Not for a half-billion dollars.
 

I'm probably just daydreaming, but part of me thinks there has to at least be some indication that Ohtani "wants" to stay.
Not "I'm staying" as much as "I'm totally good with staying, but cmon, make me think it's the right choice".
The public and the media have heard nothing, but I'd think there's quiet talking going on in the team to make Moreno think it's doable. Can't see why he decided against selling in the first place unless there was some communication between both sides.

As much as many Angels don't want to think about it, there's a fairly strong argument to be made that the best thing for the organization's success the next 6-10 years is for Ohtani to leave via FA.  In the first 1-3 years, maybe less so.  Although that $50-60M could be put to good use with a good GM.  But after a few years, that contract could be a killer.  He's simply not going to be able to sustain the elite SP / hitting production to support that salary year after year.  Not to mention an injury, which is more likely as he gets older and continues to play both sides. 
But if you care more about the name brand of Ohtani being an Angel for life and all, then all of those issues do not matter.  The most likely scenario that plays out with this outcomes is you have Trout+ 2.0 -- amazing top shelf HOF as an Angel for life.....without on-field / playoff success.

As much as many Angels don't want to think about it, there's a fairly strong argument to be made that the best thing for the organization's success the next 6-10 years is for Ohtani to leave via FA.  In the first 1-3 years, maybe less so.  Although that $50-60M could be put to good use with a good GM.  But after a few years, that contract could be a killer.  He's simply not going to be able to sustain the elite SP / hitting production to support that salary year after year.  Not to mention an injury, which is more likely as he gets older and continues to play both sides. 
But if you care more about the name brand of Ohtani being an Angel for life and all, then all of those issues do not matter.  The most likely scenario that plays out with this outcomes is you have Trout+ 2.0 -- amazing top shelf HOF as an Angel for life.....without on-field / playoff success.

As much as many Angels don't want to think about it, there's a fairly strong argument to be made that the best thing for the organization's success the next 6-10 years is for Ohtani to leave via FA.  In the first 1-3 years, maybe less so.  Although that $50-60M could be put to good use with a good GM.  But after a few years, that contract could be a killer.  He's simply not going to be able to sustain the elite SP / hitting production to support that salary year after year.  Not to mention an injury, which is more likely as he gets older and continues to play both sides. 
But if you care more about the name brand of Ohtani being an Angel for life and all, then all of those issues do not matter.  The most likely scenario that plays out with this outcomes is you have Trout+ 2.0 -- amazing top shelf HOF as an Angel for life.....without on-field / playoff success.

Even if the Angels make the playoffs.... Shoot even if they win the World Series.... They're going to have to enter that rebuilding period soon.

Bizarre and random. 

Perry Minasian: 

Now I’m thinking what a package of bush, Quero, Jackson, Albright could have brought back. 
 
The rest of the trades were fine but I don’t agree with this at all. 

I'll say it; Billy won the trade as of 8/1/2023

It makes very little sense to me. Then again, we traded a first round pick after half a season as part of a salary dump so... yeah.

That's true.  My only problem with it all is that all these guys are basically 2023 and done.  So what happens in 2024+ and we have none of that depth, less prospects to use and (maybe) no money to spend after 50-60M to Ohtani.  Some of the older prospects are gonna need to come thru in 2024+ big time.  But alas, that's next year.

I remember that so well because the following day (late morning), i saw Haren at South Coast Plaza.  It was very random.  

That's true.  My only problem with it all is that all these guys are basically 2023 and done.  So what happens in 2024+ and we have none of that depth, less prospects to use and (maybe) no money to spend after 50-60M to Ohtani.  Some of the older prospects are gonna need to come thru in 2024+ big time.  But alas, that's next year.

That's true.  My only problem with it all is that all these guys are basically 2023 and done.  So what happens in 2024+ and we have none of that depth, less prospects to use and (maybe) no money to spend after 50-60M to Ohtani.  Some of the older prospects are gonna need to come thru in 2024+ big time.  But alas, that's next year.

MOVIN ON UP!
 

Autry brought the Angels to OC.  That's a big part of it.

Arte inherited a WS team and rode the success and great farm system built by Stoneman. As soon as Arte had to fill the GM position it was a quick slide from yearly to contention yearly mediocrity.
Autry was the founding owner and didn't meddle like Arte. It's also much harder to build a winner as a young franchise, especially one being built in the shadow of the dodgers. 

From what I remember, he hired capable baseball executives and let them do their jobs without interfering, or meddling. Sometimes to the detriment of the team like when he let his favorite player Nolan Ryan leave because Buzzie Bavasi thought he was done and could be replaced with two 8-7 pitchers. Arte has always hired beginners, and probably had the lowest paid GM's in the game. I think Arte thinks he knows how to build a baseball roster, I don't think Gene ever thought that.