Angels in 2030

I like this move.  Let's be honest, we're not swimming in the ocean...we're in the kiddies pool.  There is only so much Min can do right now.  It's a very risky move -- both a RP and his limited recent turnaround success.  But that's the option in the kid pool.  It's better than some $250-300M risk.  If he goes bad, ok it's not a killer.  If he is the real deal, fantastic -- you have him for three years.  Which means could also trade him eventually down the road for a big return as a seller.  Min needs to take these types of risks...smaller, but potentially big returns.

50 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

PSA time.

Ronald Acuna failed to rank among the top prospects in his international signing class. Kevin Maitan was the next Miguel Cabrera.

Just keep signing people.

So we signed 4 busts and 11 future Acuna's -- i'll take it! 

5 minutes ago, ScottM said:

Arte spending a few million on international signings again is fun. We might be good in 2030!

Yes.....with our new owner to boot

Clearly he's being blackballed by MLB and the owners.  That's why he hasn't returned.  Seriously, there is a constant list of rapists, drunk drivers, wife/girlfriend beaters, cheaters, drug users, etc. and they are given 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. chances by these same owners time & time again.  The owners themselves fall under this same category.  Not to mention coaches, GMs, etc.  If you think otherwise, you're quite naive.  

4 hours ago, BTH said:

Not really, since the bad farm system is why they haven’t finished over .500

They go hand-in-hand.

In the very short-term, sure.  Having a bad system will prevent you from much needed additions internally and via trades.

But over 8 years, it doesn't hold water.  Eventually there should be good draft picks, selling pieces for prospects, etc.  The funny thing is they got Ohtani as a freeby basically -- no draft pick.  Sure he cost their int'l money, but those guys are lottery tickets at best.  Ohtani was a sure thing and turned out even better. 

OK, maybe a bad GM screws things up...well, they've gone thru what like three now the past few years.  I mean seriously, can you mess things up even more?  A top 5-10 ML budget, Trout and Ohtani....yet can't even get to 500.  Time to walk away from the table, cash in what you have Arte and move on to let someone else take your spot on the table.  

It's quite an accomplishment that a team who hasn't finished over 500 in over 8 years can have such a bad farm system.  Consistency i guess and two things you can count on from this Arte owned organization for almost a decade now -- an under 500 record and a bad farm system.  Arte selling and 2030 can't come soon enough.  

Arte selling anytime soon is wishful thinking.  He had his chance and chose against it.  Maybe in 3-5 years if we’re lucky.  

2024 Draft Lottery Party!

Imagine what Roki Sasaki would get on the free market -- he's only 21 but he's bigger, better, throws harder, etc.

Then again, if Yamamoto tanks/fails, then this will put a huge dent into Roki's future MLB market.

The local Fox news a couple days ago was talking about various '___ of the year'.  They then got to sporting teams and the guy immediately says "gotta be the Dodgers -- the Ohtani signing".

I seriously could not believe what i heard...even from idiot people read news.  Team of the year for a team who lost yet again in the first round of the playoffs....but they spent a shet-ton of money to sign a soon-to-be 30 year old who is injured and can't pitch until 2025.  SMH.  Classic LA sports fan there in a nutshell.     

1996 team had several young future cornerstone players and WS champs - GA, Erstad, Salmon, Perci, etc.   Won 70 games and it resulted in Angels getting Troy Glaus from the draft.  I’ll take that again.  

43 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Why? 

Grasping at straws for something to look forward to. 

Next year’s draft lottery gonna be fun and exciting.  

On 12/14/2023 at 6:28 PM, Second Base said:

Perry has typically been aggressive early in the offseason to meet team needs, much like Anthopolous with Atlanta, and Toronto before that. 

This year, he isn't and I think the reason why is because they're low-key going to need to rebuild, like Eppler did when he took over for Dipoto. So I'm guessing you'll mostly see low cost vets filling holes. 

And as far as a timeline...

2024: Angels flip short term vets at the deadline to supplement their draft picks. 70 wins. Arte Moreno announced he'll sell the team at the end of the year. A new buyer/owner will be confirmed at the GM meetings in November. 

2025: Another year similar to 2024, Minasian continues to rebuild, so no major signings or trades. Neto, O'Hoppe and Schanuel emerge as legitimate all-stars. At the end of the year, Minasian and Washington are axed so that the new owner can install his own crew. 70-ish wins. 

2026: New GM and front office staff. They sell off anything not nailed to the floor. Payrolls begin to drop, as does attendance. Angels are one of the worst teams in baseball, but this will be the third year they'll have stockpiled prospects. 

2027: Another rebuilding year, but now they're picking at the top of the draft and they're starting to get some legit international prospects. They'll extend both Neto and Schanuel but after O'Hoppe turns down their offer, they trade him for a monster return as hell be one of the best catchers in baseball at this point. 

2028: The rebuild is starting to take shape but they're still at the bottom of the standings. 

2029: A hot second half puts then right there at .500. They sign a major free agent or two. 

2030: The Angels win their first division title in 16 years and are on an upward trajectory. 

We’re twins - although I’m guessing Arte sells in 2025-2026.  

Billionaire with a 1600% investment return.  An ultra exclusive club that allows him access to the most famous people in the world and sports world.  While being the boss and feeling like a king of this exclusive item he owns.  Is this a serious question?

Winning is nice.  Making money and feeling famous and part of an exclusive club - that’s what it is about.  Fans care about winning.  Owners care about money and their investment.  

and yet, they never traded him when they had the opportunity in 2022 and 2023 smh.

45 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Dodgers just gave Glasnow $27 million a year, which sounds like a steal until you realize he pitched a career high 120 innings last year.  

This could really blow up in their face, but since it is the Dodgers it won’t. 

It's weird, i equally think: wow, they stole him being locked up for 5 years at under $30M......and wow, they sunk 5 years into this 30yr old guys who can't stay healthy.  I seriously don't know what to think about Glasnow and his next 5 years.  I also didn't realize he was already 30.  I thought he was younger.  Maybe his arm is fresh and 30-35 will age well.  Or maybe he's damaged goods and will be spurts of success with mostly DL time.

LAD certianly have some huge upside, elite potential in their rotation for 2025+...like 3-4 ace type guys.  Then again, it's possible none of these guys (Ohtani, Glasnow, Buehler) are ever healthy come the playoffs in 2025+ 

I have no problem with him not wanting to match that offer.  The Angels sinking another huge 10year deal to a 30-40yr old Ohtani would be a mistake for the on field success LT. 

The problem is not seeing the obvious (he's leaving and we're not contending) and trading him in summer 2022, off-season 2022, summer 2023.  Every opportunity to start a rebuild using the one true asset you have...and failure again from Arte.  Just sell...please 

I think they are better off not having Ohtani.  Years 30+, multiple injuries, 45-50M cap hit, 6 man rotation, etc.  -- that's not a recipe for success.

They got his best years 23-29.  Thanks Shohei!

Now onto the next one.  Start scouting, drafting & developing better.

No way Angels are getting Yamamoto...or even Montgomery.  But yes, Arte will do SOMETHING stupid to overpay for a so-called "name" and put his face up at stadium.

I'm even more on board with a Bauer signing now that SO is with the LAD.  But it doesn't seem to be in the cards for Arte.  Missing an opportunity imo.

11 hours ago, Docwaukee said:

because then they don't have to start paying it for 20 years.  Or at least 10.  

A lot of people forget that teams aren't basing their operations on some contrived CBT threshold.  It's based on real money.  

Wimpy was an economic genius

Ok sure.  But isn’t the issue with the dodgers is they have tons of money to spend? Plus all the money they generate with media, etc.   Money and cash flow is not a problem. 

1 minute ago, Deek said:

Good point Strad…

 

Who has the link to the Doyers forum…???

It’s underneath your tampon 

What a lamo  switching teams is for pu$$ies   I’m literally embarrassed for you  

id never switch teams.  Never.  Especially not for a player or two. Not even a bad owner - I just don’t give them my money.  

2 hours ago, Docwaukee said:

Supposedly, it 2m per season and the other 680m is deferred.  Which works out to about 52m per as far as the CBT is calculated.  

Why not simply do 10/520 with no deferred?