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Porcello is still available if there is a want for an additional starter.

3 hours ago, Second Base said:

As I stated before, this isn't even in the Angels hands at this point. Posters that are upset he hasn't been fired yet don't appear to understand this. 

He's assumed innocent of these charges until proven guilty. Given the mounting evidence, it appears there is enough to justify termination at the conclusion of the investigation but we simply don't know that.

Judging by the fact that the investigation wasn't open and shut, I think people may need to come to terms with the fact that not all of this is as it appears. You're reaching conclusions based on information that is presented in a specific manner that is meant to outrage you as the reader. It's like watching CNN to get an accurate picture of what Americans are like. 

Wait until the investigation is finished. For all we know, this may be wise than anything we've seen and it turns into a criminal investigation. Or on the flip side, it is possible that Callaway is telling the truth. I know that's appalling to those of you reacting emotionally to all of this, but it remains within the range of outcomes. 

Chances are, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Callaway is a dirtbag that cheated on his wife, but none of the offenses come with enough concrete evidence to terminate his contract with the Angels. So this investigation will draw on, and at the conclusion of it, the Angels will either send him through some sort of rehab process, fire him on the spot, pay him a severance package to simply go away, or place him in admin leave until the contract is up and then let him go. At any rate, he won't be a pitching coach for the Angels for a very long time, if ever. 

Just let it play out. 

I thought this kind of rational thinking was prohibited on here. 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-remaining-market-for-jake-odorizzi/

At least he didn’t create a HR.

Progress.

1 hour ago, Erstad Grit said:

Well Im tired of seeing the rotation so weak we need to start guys like Chris Stratton

Small sample size, but Stratton actually pitched really well in 2020. If we got his level of production instead of that we got from Tehran, the team would have likely made the postseason.

3 hours ago, rafibomb said:

Obviously taken with a grain of salt but according to Jomboy the Angels have been the top bidder for Odorizzi but he is waiting as long as he can to see if any other teams meet his asking price.

Here’s what was said: 

He had more tweets that he later deleted, but I didn’t get a chance to screenshot. Essentially said a player gives his all for a team for 7 years and 90% of players want to stay with the team, but hear nothing from them about keeping him, then when they hit the open market and get a big contract from another team, they are vilified for leaving.

12 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

This is why no one should use MLBTR as anything other than a rumor compilation site. The insight there is very low. 

Especially when he considers the #14 and #18 ranked SP in fWAR from 2018-2020 No. 2 starters.

Angels 2020 Payroll: $176M

Angels 2021 Payroll: $173M (Estimated as of 2/4)

1 hour ago, mmc said:

 

Just now, Taylor said:

You seem to know a lot about this topic. As a woman in sports journalism, have you ever experienced harassment and excessive unwanted attention?

The only thing I claim to know is my opinion. I gave mine, just like you gave yours. We are allowed to disagree. 

1 minute ago, Taylor said:

The women are saying it wasn't consensual, which is the very definition of "not consensual." It's an easy concept to understand.

I disagree. In my opinion, IF they went along with his “flirting” because they were receiving the benefit of getting inside information from him at the time, it can be seen as consensual. Regretting of past actions would not change that.

13 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

So a small minority.  Got it. 

And, yeah, sure, I know couples who've met at work, too.  I don't think any of them met by one of them passing a note through another co-worker asking for their number without ever speaking to them--on their first day, no less.

I think we're losing sight of the bigger picture/problem, though, by continuing to focus on one specific example, so I'll bow out of discussing the number request further, if that's ok.

Of course.

So I do want to ask you, because I do value your opinion, do you think there is any possibility that the Callaway interactions were consensual?

10 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Again, I'm not focusing too much on that specific example in the thread.  That said, she's using that as the example of how she was "introduced" to the clubhouse setting.  I think her point in using that as an example is simply that on the very first day she was doing something "professional" (I count internships as professional), someone tried to turn it into a personal situation without any indication from her that that was acceptable at the time.  Regardless of gender, if you're going into a situation expecting to work and interact with people on a professional basis and some random person who you've never interacted with sends you their number, yeah, I could imagine that a lot of people would find that to be awkward.

The TL:DR version: Don't assume that baseball lockerrooms are pick-up joints.

I respect your point of view. In my opinion, the player did not do anything wrong. It was not stated he disrespected her in any way.

FYI. 22% of US married couples met at work.

5 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

I think she's simply saying that's what occurred on her FIRST day, not that that's the only time she felt someone did something inappropriate.  The complete sentence that's cut off in the portion you quoted is, "Knew I should take some time (and more than a few deep breaths) before trying to offer any thoughts on the Porter/Callaway situation, but it hit me that it’s fitting that a story like that broke on the day I jumped back into baseball because I haven’t known a day in a baseball clubhouse without a story like this."

There are plenty of instances of misconduct by men in all professions. All of those should be punished.

A man trying to give her his number because he found her attractive is not one of them.

Would you defend a man’s claim of feeling like a victim and that “it was somehow his fault” because a woman gave him her number on his first day of work?

34 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Also, @Second Base (and really, everyone), I'd urge you to read this Twitter thread from Chelsea Janes, a baseball reporter for the Washington Post, in which she discusses her own encounters that are similar to the Porter/Callaway situations.  She also addresses how difficult it can be to come forward with accusations, even if you feel guilt that not doing so could cause more people to be harmed.  It's a good read for us all.

 

“In a baseball clubhouse without a story like this. My first day in an MLB clubhouse as a 20-year-old intern, a quad-A outfielder who will remain nameless had a coach pass me a piece of paper with his number on it.”

I don’t think what she is stating her personal encounter was is similar to what Porter did and the allegations against Callaway.

9 hours ago, Dochalo said:

There is one way that Cobb could actually help this team.  If the Angels agree to pay some of his deferred salary instead of the money in 2021 and he essentially pitches for free for the Angels this year.  I am not sure this is even possible.  If the Angels can somehow find a way to pay him in 2030-32 then maybe it make a little sense.  I could see a path to that considering that he's got 4.5m deferred this year which is probably prorated over the payout from 2022-2032.  

If the halos pay him say 1m in 2021 and then about half a mil in each of the next ten years then he could be a decent backup arm as 6 or 7 on the depth chart should the shit hit the fan.  

that wouldn't change the financial position of the team for 2021 and potentially allow them to make more moves.  

This makes sense. Also could be the reason why it’s taking so long to get MLB approval. 

Just now, JAHV76 said:

Ok

It was a genuine question. You bright up stalking. Wanted to know if that was in the article since I am not a subscriber. 

4 minutes ago, JAHV76 said:

Ok

Did you read different elsewhere?

Callaway is going to get fired no matter what actually happened.

If the allegations are completely truthful and there is no additional information that was left out, then he should never work in professional sports again.

But if what he claims is true in that everything was consensual, then it’s a shame because it won’t matter, the court of public opinion has already deemed the allegations to be the only truth.

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

I'm sure the five women are all making it up.

I don’t think there is anything wrong in asking if there is any proof. Judgments should be made based on facts, not stories coming from only one side.

Can anyone with a subscription comment about if there is any proof to any of this in the article? 

4 minutes ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

This the reason why this trade looks pointless. with Cobb we have our 6, which probably means that Barria will be in AAA.I would be fine if the guy replacing Barria was better. But, that's not the case, heck you could say that Barria is better than Cobb at this point in their Career. 

 

Also, if we are on the hook for Deferal moneys than this is a really bad trade, could impact the payroll the following years.

Barria is out of options.

4 hours ago, Stradling said:

Suck it @mmc

I think he could have done well in RF for the Angels. Especially for Pujols’ last year since it seems the Pedersons and Pujols were close.