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28 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Isn’t the purpose to win a championship? Side note, I agree I’d rather watch great baseball from April to October. At the end of the day though a win feels necessary. 

Yes, but trading the other 9 years of terrible baseball for me isnt worth it. 
Weve been there, done that, im over bad baseball. 

17 hours ago, Pancake Bear said:

You evaded the question, though. He didn't say ten years of playoffs with WS possible but not guaranteed. He said ten years playoffs, but no WS win. 

I dont think i did but ill clarify, Yes, i would rather make the playoffs every year and be a quality team, even if that meant no WS, than win a one off WS and miss the post the rest of the decade.

12 hours ago, Pancake Bear said:

Not sure how much clearer Ohtani could have been when he came over. He doesn't want to play on the east coast. if he moves on, it'll be one of the Dodgers, Mariners, Giants, or Padres he would be interested in signing with. No doubt his agent would deny any such preference, and if the Angels trade him, they aren't likely to restrict trade partners to the west coast, but if he signs elsewhere it's highly unlikely he goes east. 

Exactly.. did we really do anything to win him or were we just the only team that could offer what he wanted where he wanted to be?
We lost that advantage, everyone is fair game now, if the truth is he would have preferred the Dodgers all along there is little if anything we can do. 
Now thats pure speculation of course, but if he wont sign an extension, youve got to consider trading him.. to lose him for nothing is gross incompetence.

Well, you cannot win the WS without making the playoffs so... 
Seriously though winning the WS is often as much about health and hot streaks as talent, the best team doesnt always win it, but you have to actually be in the mix to have that chance so i think i would take the post every year over a guaranteed one win and a decade of irrelevance.
We've experienced both or close to it so... yeah, feel pretty confident in saying that 

3 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

Current or new ownership needs to approach Ohtani before the start of the season IMO and ask him if he'd sign an extension for $_____ and if he won't and either current or new ownership cannot afford him they really need to bring in a haul of prospects and young players ready now before the start of the season. 

That's just my take.

I hope the Angels make Ohtani an Angel for life, but if he wants to get paid and try his luck for a Championship elsewhere, you need to get a good return. 

This
If this wa ANY other player, this would be a no brainer.
He signs, or you deal him, end of story.  
If he walks for nothing we are the biggest idiots in this history of the game. 

And there goes any hope of a quick sale... thanks council

16 hours ago, failos said:

Angels 1961 esque post. Get a Grammarly subscription

Thank you for the reminder why i dont post more here anymore.. carry on. 

A couple isolated examples aren't that telling, you could probably find many of them... and i do think the extra 50 innings factor in... BUT, the bottom line is virtually no top dollar FA SP contract ever gives value. 
Yesterday Yankee fan was on their knees for Cole, and yet they have been screaming to get rid of him all season.
Verlander is the probably Cy winning in the AL and he got hammered. 
I still think Hou feels better about JV than Yankee fan does about Cole. 

I pray this is true and it happens that fast.   Ill be shocked, but pleasantly surprised. 
Its what the franchise needs to happen though in my view as a season of a lame duck owner would be potentially devastating on many fronts. 

I think it should be, it make sense, we have depth in some areas and lack it in others. 

51 minutes ago, Blarg said:

So far the Trash Pandas have been better than Minasian's free agents.

True, but not the point

10 minutes ago, mmc said:

Why?

Do you realistically expect Arts with spend anything as a lame duck?  He wouldn't go above set budget levels when he wasnt he certainly wont  on his way out the door.
will thedeal be done, no, but hopefully far enough along that they will have some input to get things done or its going to be a rough year watching a mostly Trash panda lineup in Ana.  

21 hours ago, mmc said:

Is there really anyone who thinks there's any chance the sale is completed before we have to decide on a manager for next season?

Realistically, no.  But one can still hope.
The simple fact is this, if its not, then next season will likely be worse. 

There should be an options for "it depends on who the owner is / how fast the sael completes".
If we go into ST with Arte still at the helm, it will be Nevin IMO.  A lame duck isnt going to make drastic changes and no one will want to come in under him knowing a change is coming. 

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

This guy knew exactly what he was posting. He's all about generating engagement and controversy. It's why he posted the fake apology video and yet didn't delete the original tweet.

But sure, compare him to actual journalists.

You think they don't do the same? 
The goal is to generate clicks, the retraction always gets buried. 
Ill admit i should not have implied all, but other than that, yeah, not a lot of difference. 

As with so many today hes in such a hurry to try to be first, he skipped the research completely. 
Pretty much the thesis for so-called journalists today. 

Early realistic favorites to me are Ballmer, Kroenke, or Lacob. 

Yeah, im one of them.  Coaching matters.
Yes these guys are pros with more natural ability to play the game in most cases than any of these coaches, but that cant see themselves they cant always make the adjustments without help.  Even Trout slumps, and i dont think anyone here would suggest any coach has more talent. 
Some people are great players, some are great coaches, few are both.  Do they make players better than they are, no, but they certainly see when those players are off or doing something different. 
The one thing i know to be true is that far too many guys have done better after leavings us, than they did with us.  Add to that a lot of guys that spend time on the farm and come back better from hearing different voices.

3 hours ago, Stradling said:

One guy? It was Vlad, Colon, Escobar and Guillen.  You count poorly. 1+1+1+1 does not equal 1.  

Youre suggesting that, is comparable to what Cohen has done?
We have very different definitions, lol 

7 hours ago, Stradling said:

So if Cohen can screw up the next 20 and no one would say a word then why are you shitting on Arte?  His first free agent year he brought in a guy that won the MVP and a guy that won a Cy Young.  It hasn’t been 20 years.  So yes people will obviously turn on an owner if they fuck up.

Exhibit A:

Arte Moreno

When he does what Cohen did, not one guy but a whole off season, well talk, till then, this is a failed example. 

9 minutes ago, T.G. said:

We saw that in  Anaheim... going all in and trading for Teixeira... and Greinke.  Being an Angel fan during that time was also amazing.

The Padres have been here before... they spent wildly and traded tons and that didn't get it done.  The Mets haven't won anything yet...

 

 

All true, but the one thing you cannot say in any of those cases is that they didnt try.  Thats the point. 
Right now to win anytime in the next few seasons, spending is our only out... you cant speed up time and develop guys ahead of their due dates. 

59 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

I think this is exactly where I'm at. 

I hope this is where we are all at, but me personally im struggling to be supportive right now.  Im not a fan of Artes checkbook/balance sheet, im a fan of the club.  He needs to decide once and for all who he wants to be as an owner.

Arte came in talking about taking the LA market, whatever happened to that?  Hes not a fool he had to know what that was going to take... and this is not it.
He started on a path, then right at the point where is started to get real, everything suddenly changed. 

Cohen has had one year in NY and could fuck up the next 20 and Mets fans will never say a word.   Same with other clubs that no one can doubt they made their best effort to win, Padres etc... Being a fan of those clubs right now must feel amazing. 

Seeing our team fail time after time in recent season each time of fully self inflicted wounds, is becoming very hard to swallow.   There is no version of this that we can give Arte the benefit of the doubt, he has 100% put a financial number, or on field performance.  

I might have believed that was the best we could do till the land deal, i think thats what killed my support if im being honest... there is no reality where he could pull that off, and not be able to do more for the team to build a winner... leaving me only one conclusion, he chose this. 

and yeah, im really struggling to support hat right now.  We talk about greedy owner that put the bottom line over payroll, how they are all thats wrong with the game.. well, ours is the thesis for that.  He invest to the point hat he maximized his return, and nothing more.  

Meow, call me whatever you will, but the last few seasons have damaged my fandom to a point i dont even want to admit. 

I have been very negative of late, with good reason, but i will say that the one area i think is potentially very bright for the future is the starting pitching.
Factor in who is out hurt and who has taken steps and we potentially have a very strong rotation in the coming years with solid depth. 

24 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Keeping him isn't the path to victory, difficult is that is to admit. 

It could be, if Arte was willing to do what it takes.  In the end thats the real question, the only question, nd well have the answer soon enough assuming we dont already.

5 minutes ago, Second Base said:

I think it's something worse than that. It's like the kid with deadbeat dad, thinking "if I just do this he'll be proud of me." Not understanding the brokenness has a different root cause. 

There's a path to victory here, but not through free agency.

On the short term, yeah, it is, there is no other path available in that window. 
You want even a chance at keeping Ohtani, the short window is all that matters.