DoubleOffTheWall

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We don't have the players on offense. This almost feels worse than those 2010 and 2011 teams. At least then we had a  Weave in his prime so we could win every fifth game. 

I'd watch that anytime it comes on.

That's part of the reason this franchise continues to lose big games over and over.
 
And that's one of the key differences between him and say, Bruce Bochy, as Grantland described, when recounting why the latter is such a good manager.
 
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/bruce-bochy-best-manager-san-francisco-giants-baseball/
 
Scioscia always reverts to his "give a guy a second chance" routine to try and restore a middle-of-the-road player's confidence, even if he has to use that player in a big situation, that could cost the whole team. He relies on veterans rather than on who is actually the best player during that season. There's a few recent examples like: 
 
Going to Salas today when Heaney was pitching fine. Heaney has clearly been one of the best players on the team since he was called up. 
 
Going to Salas in the 9th versus Houston when you had better relievers sitting on the bench?
 
Going to Salas last year in the ALDS? And then Jepsen? Why not use Rasmus, who had been a much better pitcher in the last few months going into the postseason? We all know Rasmus wasn't going to start a game with Wilson booked for game 3 and Santiago his likely back up. 
 
Replacing Lackey in the "This is mine" game in the 2009 ALDS, when his relievers came in and just coughed up the lead. 
Mysteriously sitting hot players the day after they ball out. 
 
Funny, he never did these things in 2002 and when the playoffs started, really shortened his list to Percival, Donnelly and Krod over and over again, because those were his best players. We didn't see much of Weber and Shields by the time the playoffs came around. 
 
The Giants have had a fair degree of turnover over the last few years in which they won their rings, but the big moments belong to a select few like Posey, Bumgarner, Cain, Casilla, Affeldt, Romo, Petit, and before them Wilson. 
 
 
 

Don't love this decision. I really want Rasmus as the 7th inning guy. It would rival the Royals late innings IMO

That's part of the reason this franchise continues to lose big games over and over.
 
And that's one of the key differences between him and say, Bruce Bochy, as Grantland described, when recounting why the latter is such a good manager.
 
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/bruce-bochy-best-manager-san-francisco-giants-baseball/
 
Scioscia always reverts to his "give a guy a second chance" routine to try and restore a middle-of-the-road player's confidence, even if he has to use that player in a big situation, that could cost the whole team. He relies on veterans rather than on who is actually the best player during that season. There's a few recent examples like: 
 
Going to Salas today when Heaney was pitching fine. Heaney has clearly been one of the best players on the team since he was called up. 
 
Going to Salas in the 9th versus Houston when you had better relievers sitting on the bench?
 
Going to Salas last year in the ALDS? And then Jepsen? Why not use Rasmus, who had been a much better pitcher in the last few months going into the postseason? We all know Rasmus wasn't going to start a game with Wilson booked for game 3 and Santiago his likely back up. 
 
Replacing Lackey in the "This is mine" game in the 2009 ALDS, when his relievers came in and just coughed up the lead. 
Mysteriously sitting hot players the day after they ball out. 
 
Funny, he never did these things in 2002 and when the playoffs started, really shortened his list to Percival, Donnelly and Krod over and over again, because those were his best players. We didn't see much of Weber and Shields by the time the playoffs came around. 
 
The Giants have had a fair degree of turnover over the last few years in which they won their rings, but the big moments belong to a select few like Posey, Bumgarner, Cain, Casilla, Affeldt, Romo, Petit, and before them Wilson. 
 
 
 

That's part of the reason this franchise continues to lose big games over and over.
 
And that's one of the key differences between him and say, Bruce Bochy, as Grantland described, when recounting why the latter is such a good manager.
 
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/bruce-bochy-best-manager-san-francisco-giants-baseball/
 
Scioscia always reverts to his "give a guy a second chance" routine to try and restore a middle-of-the-road player's confidence, even if he has to use that player in a big situation, that could cost the whole team. He relies on veterans rather than on who is actually the best player during that season. There's a few recent examples like: 
 
Going to Salas today when Heaney was pitching fine. Heaney has clearly been one of the best players on the team since he was called up. 
 
Going to Salas in the 9th versus Houston when you had better relievers sitting on the bench?
 
Going to Salas last year in the ALDS? And then Jepsen? Why not use Rasmus, who had been a much better pitcher in the last few months going into the postseason? We all know Rasmus wasn't going to start a game with Wilson booked for game 3 and Santiago his likely back up. 
 
Replacing Lackey in the "This is mine" game in the 2009 ALDS, when his relievers came in and just coughed up the lead. 
Mysteriously sitting hot players the day after they ball out. 
 
Funny, he never did these things in 2002 and when the playoffs started, really shortened his list to Percival, Donnelly and Krod over and over again, because those were his best players. We didn't see much of Weber and Shields by the time the playoffs came around. 
 
The Giants have had a fair degree of turnover over the last few years in which they won their rings, but the big moments belong to a select few like Posey, Bumgarner, Cain, Casilla, Affeldt, Romo, Petit, and before them Wilson. 
 
 
 

Trout right now is jordan early on. Head and shoulders the best player in the game but with a weak supporting cast. We need to get him a pippen.
Aybar could be rodman.

Salas will take his place in the rotation.

We are about to experience a 27+ inning scoreless draught after today and tomorrow's games. We'll be close to done after that. 

No, the Astros kicked us in the nuts on and off the field this week

Heaney isnt a prospect anymore.  Hes an ace now please stop calling him a prospect.

Im not surprised. We don't have a championship core. We just have trout and some spare parts and a bunch of solid pitchers.
Every championship team has a core that is clearly visible.
The Giants have Bumgarner, Posey, Cain, Panda and now Belt, Pence, and a few others.
The Red sox had lester, ortiz, pedroia and before them schilling and ramirez.
Shit even the Royals have a solid well known core now in cain, hosmer, Gordon, the three bullpen guys.
You can't win without a core. Too many moving parts that don't come through together on alot of nights.

You'll be a busy poster tonight, scolding everyone.

I am aware of CJ's crappy playoff history and his weak performance last year in Game 3.
 
Still, Weaver is terrible right now. If you let CJ go in a trade and Weaver still sucks, then you have an extremely young/inexperienced rotation in Richards, Shoe, Heaney and Santiago. I'd feel much more comfortable with CJ in the mix and then you trot out the 3-4 hottest arms when the playoffs begin.

I am aware of CJ's crappy playoff history and his weak performance last year in Game 3.
 
Still, Weaver is terrible right now. If you let CJ go in a trade and Weaver still sucks, then you have an extremely young/inexperienced rotation in Richards, Shoe, Heaney and Santiago. I'd feel much more comfortable with CJ in the mix and then you trot out the 3-4 hottest arms when the playoffs begin.

I would not trade CJ, with Weave still such a big question mark.
 
While the staff of Richards, Shoe, Santiago, and Heaney is solid, there's very little playoff experience there. 
 
Last time Richards squared off against Scherzer last year, he was sweating bullets. 
 
At least CJ has some big game experience and I'd see him as a capable game 2 or game 3 starter. 

I will say that in the early 90's I wasn't in tune with the team as much I was too busy starting my career, getting married and starting a family.

Much of the journalism that has come out since this incident has inconsistencies, generally:
 
1) Blaming Dipoto for the Hamilton signing. That was clearly Arte
 
2) Lauding Dipoto for enhancing the farm system and pitching core, while at the same time wondering why the offense has suffered (needed to trade Kendrick and Trumbo to strengthen the pitching staff)
 
3) Stating that Scioscia butted heads with Reagins. From what I know, Reagins was doing whatever Mike wanted him to do, including going out and getting Wells at the expense of Napoli.
 
My opinion is that this organization needs a complete restart at the top. Any more of this and we'll soon be hearing "Trout demands trade". After that, this organization will be become the LAstros, the same team that will ironically replace us at the top of the AL west for probably years to come. 

Much of the journalism that has come out since this incident has inconsistencies, generally:
 
1) Blaming Dipoto for the Hamilton signing. That was clearly Arte
 
2) Lauding Dipoto for enhancing the farm system and pitching core, while at the same time wondering why the offense has suffered (needed to trade Kendrick and Trumbo to strengthen the pitching staff)
 
3) Stating that Scioscia butted heads with Reagins. From what I know, Reagins was doing whatever Mike wanted him to do, including going out and getting Wells at the expense of Napoli.
 
My opinion is that this organization needs a complete restart at the top. Any more of this and we'll soon be hearing "Trout demands trade". After that, this organization will be become the LAstros, the same team that will ironically replace us at the top of the AL west for probably years to come. 

I will take it.
Series not over
Season not over
Franchise not over

This franchise's management is a complete disaster. The selection of that catcher in the first round just underscores this point further. Luckily, they hit the jackpot on Trout and Dipoto has had the freedom to acquire some young arms. Aside from that, things have been fugly since the close of 09. 

As long as he gets more opportunities to bunt, I don't care where he hits.

i don't want to do anything to help boston. screw them.

Four players plus salary relief for two bench players? Scotty, you really need to take a break from the hot stove, you seemed to have boiled over.