AngelsFanSince86

This is my opinion, but I really don't think Rendon will ever sign off on a trade. I truly feel that he doesn't care about baseball that much anymore. It's why he chose Anaheim over LA. He said it was because he didn't want his family subjected to the "Hollywood lifestyle" or something like that. However, I really think he just wanted to avoid the bigger spotlight. If he were on the dodgers, he'd be getting blasted in the media nonstop. On the Angels it's just, "meh, Angels signed another terrible contract and continue to waste Ohtani and trout's careers".
Here his failures are overshadowed by the Angels mediocrity. Elsewhere they would be magnified. I think he's happy to finish out his career chilling in OC getting paid millions to watch baseball every night.

I think this may be true as well. It would definitely solidify his legacy moreso than going to a team that may win a WS without his help.
That being said, if he really wants to win with the Angels, he should want to be traded. It gives him a chance to compete in the playoffs during his MVP year and also ensures that the Angels will get better in the near future. And then he can always sign with the Angels. It's only for a few months so it's not like he needs to uproot his life.
Edit: the bottom line is this: he either wants to stay or he wants to go. I highly doubt that trading him will have much of an effect on that. Not trading him at this point, regardless of what he decides, will be one of these most short sighted moves in the history of baseball.

I think this may be true as well. It would definitely solidify his legacy moreso than going to a team that may win a WS without his help.
That being said, if he really wants to win with the Angels, he should want to be traded. It gives him a chance to compete in the playoffs during his MVP year and also ensures that the Angels will get better in the near future. And then he can always sign with the Angels. It's only for a few months so it's not like he needs to uproot his life.
Edit: the bottom line is this: he either wants to stay or he wants to go. I highly doubt that trading him will have much of an effect on that. Not trading him at this point, regardless of what he decides, will be one of these most short sighted moves in the history of baseball.

I think this may be true as well. It would definitely solidify his legacy moreso than going to a team that may win a WS without his help.
That being said, if he really wants to win with the Angels, he should want to be traded. It gives him a chance to compete in the playoffs during his MVP year and also ensures that the Angels will get better in the near future. And then he can always sign with the Angels. It's only for a few months so it's not like he needs to uproot his life.
Edit: the bottom line is this: he either wants to stay or he wants to go. I highly doubt that trading him will have much of an effect on that. Not trading him at this point, regardless of what he decides, will be one of these most short sighted moves in the history of baseball.

This is my opinion, but I really don't think Rendon will ever sign off on a trade. I truly feel that he doesn't care about baseball that much anymore. It's why he chose Anaheim over LA. He said it was because he didn't want his family subjected to the "Hollywood lifestyle" or something like that. However, I really think he just wanted to avoid the bigger spotlight. If he were on the dodgers, he'd be getting blasted in the media nonstop. On the Angels it's just, "meh, Angels signed another terrible contract and continue to waste Ohtani and trout's careers".
Here his failures are overshadowed by the Angels mediocrity. Elsewhere they would be magnified. I think he's happy to finish out his career chilling in OC getting paid millions to watch baseball every night.

I think this may be true as well. It would definitely solidify his legacy moreso than going to a team that may win a WS without his help.
That being said, if he really wants to win with the Angels, he should want to be traded. It gives him a chance to compete in the playoffs during his MVP year and also ensures that the Angels will get better in the near future. And then he can always sign with the Angels. It's only for a few months so it's not like he needs to uproot his life.
Edit: the bottom line is this: he either wants to stay or he wants to go. I highly doubt that trading him will have much of an effect on that. Not trading him at this point, regardless of what he decides, will be one of these most short sighted moves in the history of baseball.

This is my opinion, but I really don't think Rendon will ever sign off on a trade. I truly feel that he doesn't care about baseball that much anymore. It's why he chose Anaheim over LA. He said it was because he didn't want his family subjected to the "Hollywood lifestyle" or something like that. However, I really think he just wanted to avoid the bigger spotlight. If he were on the dodgers, he'd be getting blasted in the media nonstop. On the Angels it's just, "meh, Angels signed another terrible contract and continue to waste Ohtani and trout's careers".
Here his failures are overshadowed by the Angels mediocrity. Elsewhere they would be magnified. I think he's happy to finish out his career chilling in OC getting paid millions to watch baseball every night.

This is my opinion, but I really don't think Rendon will ever sign off on a trade. I truly feel that he doesn't care about baseball that much anymore. It's why he chose Anaheim over LA. He said it was because he didn't want his family subjected to the "Hollywood lifestyle" or something like that. However, I really think he just wanted to avoid the bigger spotlight. If he were on the dodgers, he'd be getting blasted in the media nonstop. On the Angels it's just, "meh, Angels signed another terrible contract and continue to waste Ohtani and trout's careers".
Here his failures are overshadowed by the Angels mediocrity. Elsewhere they would be magnified. I think he's happy to finish out his career chilling in OC getting paid millions to watch baseball every night.

Yep. And then he'll finally go 3 for 5 with a double and a HR, but he'll stub his toe jogging around the bases and be out for another 3 weeks.

Yep. And then he'll finally go 3 for 5 with a double and a HR, but he'll stub his toe jogging around the bases and be out for another 3 weeks.

Yep. And then he'll finally go 3 for 5 with a double and a HR, but he'll stub his toe jogging around the bases and be out for another 3 weeks.

Yep. Exactly.

To specifically answer your question, nobody wants to trade Ohtani if he plans to stay in Anaheim. But the thought is that he's likely to walk. To miss the playoffs and also miss a chance to trade the greatest mid season acquisition in MLB history would be something only a poorly run organization would allow.
If Ohtani won't commit, at the very least, in a, "I want to stay here if you are willing to pay, but I do need to test the market to see my value" type of agreement, then they need to trade him.
I said it on other threads from a couple weeks ago. They needed to go at least .500 against the d backs, dodgers, and Padres to hold onto the playoff/buyer mentality. They absolutely failed that. Their schedule is rough over the next month and I expect they will fall under .500. This is not a winning team and unless you are 100% that you can sign Ohtani, he needs to be traded to make the team better in the future. 
If they don't trade him and don't sign him, it will go down as one of the worst mistakes in recent history. Just adds to the rendon, Pujols, Hamilton, Upton, Wells, etc mistakes. At some point they need to start making smart/tough decisions. We'll see if that starts this season.
Now, if they don't trade him and then also sign him, that's the best case scenario (well best case would be to trade him, but then also sign him). If that happens I will fully support it. I will also withhold my judgement on the situation until the offseason plays out.

To specifically answer your question, nobody wants to trade Ohtani if he plans to stay in Anaheim. But the thought is that he's likely to walk. To miss the playoffs and also miss a chance to trade the greatest mid season acquisition in MLB history would be something only a poorly run organization would allow.
If Ohtani won't commit, at the very least, in a, "I want to stay here if you are willing to pay, but I do need to test the market to see my value" type of agreement, then they need to trade him.
I said it on other threads from a couple weeks ago. They needed to go at least .500 against the d backs, dodgers, and Padres to hold onto the playoff/buyer mentality. They absolutely failed that. Their schedule is rough over the next month and I expect they will fall under .500. This is not a winning team and unless you are 100% that you can sign Ohtani, he needs to be traded to make the team better in the future. 
If they don't trade him and don't sign him, it will go down as one of the worst mistakes in recent history. Just adds to the rendon, Pujols, Hamilton, Upton, Wells, etc mistakes. At some point they need to start making smart/tough decisions. We'll see if that starts this season.
Now, if they don't trade him and then also sign him, that's the best case scenario (well best case would be to trade him, but then also sign him). If that happens I will fully support it. I will also withhold my judgement on the situation until the offseason plays out.

Rendon is the biggest bitch in baseball. Sitting out because of a f'ing bruise? My 11yo is tougher than he is.

Although you're incorrect about the Angels not making the playoffs under Arte, I do agree he needs to go.
Most of the teams success under Arte can be contributed to riding the coattails of Stoneman. Once he left it went downhill pretty fast. 
The Angels need an owner who will hire a president of baseball ops that actually knows at least one thing about baseball. And who will invest in scouting and development domestically and internationally. 
My hope is that Arte kept the team for one more year so that he could sign Shohei as I assume that would increase the desirability/price of the franchise.

That's not it though. The fact that the Angels have never fully committed to rebuilding or going for it has effected the team each and every year. So despite the fact that the manager, GM, and the overall roster has fluctuated over the last 8 years, their predicament has remained the same: a farm system too barren to either consistently produce MLB talent or to expendable trade talent; a major league roster that is top heavy and an owner unwilling to open the checkbook to fill out the roster the way it needs to be when you have so many holes and $70-100M+ is going to 3-4 players (something that has been pretty consistent over the last 8 years even though the names of those players has changed). 
Now, Perry is better at drafting and better at trading than the last 2 GMs so he's been able to improve the roster via trade without really hurting the farm system. Simultaneously, Arte expanded the budget cap by a bit this year which has allowed Perry to fill the roster with more legitimate depth than in the past. However, the core issues remain the same. Still not enough roster depth because their farm system is still rather barren. Still have several holes in the roster because although the payroll was increased this year, it still wasn't enough. 
Personally I think under Perry they are slowly heading in the right direction. If he'd been the GM for the last 5-6 years I think they would be in a great position right now. He's slowly building the farm despite the fact that the team has been consistently mediocre and he's much better at signing depth than Eppler was. The problem is it's too little too late. They are potentially going to lose a 10+ WAR player for nothing. No playoffs, no prospects from a trade. They are also potentially losing a 10 WAR player in trout because he's seemingly started his decline. Losing 12-15 WAR just like that more than cancels or whatever gains they've made as a team. But still, they'll try to win this season with Ohtani, likely fail and lose him to FA for nothing more than a compensatory pick, and next year they'll be stuck trying to replace their ace and their best hitter which will cost more to do than Ohtani cost this year, and as long as Arte still owns the team the budget will remain too low to effectively fill out the roster and the cycle of mediocrity will continue.

That's not it though. The fact that the Angels have never fully committed to rebuilding or going for it has effected the team each and every year. So despite the fact that the manager, GM, and the overall roster has fluctuated over the last 8 years, their predicament has remained the same: a farm system too barren to either consistently produce MLB talent or to expendable trade talent; a major league roster that is top heavy and an owner unwilling to open the checkbook to fill out the roster the way it needs to be when you have so many holes and $70-100M+ is going to 3-4 players (something that has been pretty consistent over the last 8 years even though the names of those players has changed). 
Now, Perry is better at drafting and better at trading than the last 2 GMs so he's been able to improve the roster via trade without really hurting the farm system. Simultaneously, Arte expanded the budget cap by a bit this year which has allowed Perry to fill the roster with more legitimate depth than in the past. However, the core issues remain the same. Still not enough roster depth because their farm system is still rather barren. Still have several holes in the roster because although the payroll was increased this year, it still wasn't enough. 
Personally I think under Perry they are slowly heading in the right direction. If he'd been the GM for the last 5-6 years I think they would be in a great position right now. He's slowly building the farm despite the fact that the team has been consistently mediocre and he's much better at signing depth than Eppler was. The problem is it's too little too late. They are potentially going to lose a 10+ WAR player for nothing. No playoffs, no prospects from a trade. They are also potentially losing a 10 WAR player in trout because he's seemingly started his decline. Losing 12-15 WAR just like that more than cancels or whatever gains they've made as a team. But still, they'll try to win this season with Ohtani, likely fail and lose him to FA for nothing more than a compensatory pick, and next year they'll be stuck trying to replace their ace and their best hitter which will cost more to do than Ohtani cost this year, and as long as Arte still owns the team the budget will remain too low to effectively fill out the roster and the cycle of mediocrity will continue.

Escobar sucks defensively. My 11 yo son would get grilled for not laying out for those last 2 hits.

What their injuries have shown is that despite having the best depth they've had in years, it still wasn't enough. 
It makes sense to add Escobar and moose because it makes them better now, gives them better depth, and allows them to potentially be more cautious with Neto and rendon.
Urshela is out for the season and he was a crucial depth piece. Moose essentially is his replacement. Escobar to me is just an extra depth add. When they lost urshela it really hurt they need to have more guys not just for now, but moving forward this season.
 

What their injuries have shown is that despite having the best depth they've had in years, it still wasn't enough. 
It makes sense to add Escobar and moose because it makes them better now, gives them better depth, and allows them to potentially be more cautious with Neto and rendon.
Urshela is out for the season and he was a crucial depth piece. Moose essentially is his replacement. Escobar to me is just an extra depth add. When they lost urshela it really hurt they need to have more guys not just for now, but moving forward this season.
 

What their injuries have shown is that despite having the best depth they've had in years, it still wasn't enough. 
It makes sense to add Escobar and moose because it makes them better now, gives them better depth, and allows them to potentially be more cautious with Neto and rendon.
Urshela is out for the season and he was a crucial depth piece. Moose essentially is his replacement. Escobar to me is just an extra depth add. When they lost urshela it really hurt they need to have more guys not just for now, but moving forward this season.
 

What their injuries have shown is that despite having the best depth they've had in years, it still wasn't enough. 
It makes sense to add Escobar and moose because it makes them better now, gives them better depth, and allows them to potentially be more cautious with Neto and rendon.
Urshela is out for the season and he was a crucial depth piece. Moose essentially is his replacement. Escobar to me is just an extra depth add. When they lost urshela it really hurt they need to have more guys not just for now, but moving forward this season.
 

Exactly. They had an agenda to overturn it and that's BS.