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Blarg, remember how you used to die on the hill that pitcher wins were the best way to gauge a pitcher's value? This feels kind of like that.

I just like yelling at clouds.

I do understand that. You asked me when Abreu should have been an all star. I did, he was better than Vlad in 1999 and deserved to be an all star. I'm literally answering the question you asked.

This argument is fun.
The ultimate point being that Abreu is underrated as hell by pretty much everyone.
Does he belong in the HOF? Probably not. I don't think so. But he had a hell of a career.

I just like yelling at clouds.

I like how this is a legit argument.
Well done, @Stradling.

I was answering two different questions. Somebody mentioned that Abreu was only a 2 time all-star and Gwynn was a 15 time all star so therefore Gwynn was much better. All star selections are not a good measure for HOF. Gwynn was certainly a great player and deserved many all star selections, but certainly not 15. Abreu was definitely underrated and deserved more than 2 selections. I was simply giving an example of one time Gwynn didn't deserve a selection and one time Abreu did.
And according to war that was only Abreus 4th best season.

I'm always amazed how quickly Lofton fell off the ballot, he was a stud.

Yep and Jeter won a bunch of gold gloves.

I'm always amazed how quickly Lofton fell off the ballot, he was a stud.

I'm always amazed how quickly Lofton fell off the ballot, he was a stud.

I'm always amazed how quickly Lofton fell off the ballot, he was a stud.

Jeff Mathis is available.

Jeff Mathis is available.

When do Bobby Grich and Lou Whitaker get in?

When do Bobby Grich and Lou Whitaker get in?

I really think getting a future HOF pitcher like Kershaw or Greinke would help the young guys, just so they can see how those guys go about their business.

Chad Cordero comes to mind, he was in the minors for a season or two.
Andres Gallaraga also, though he played a few meaningless games in September, I remember hoping he would hit home run #400 but he was stuck at 399.

Kickers really aren't football players.

Kickers really aren't football players.

Their bullpen was incredible that year Percival, Weber, and Donnelly were incredible). Mop pitchers like Shields and Pote had low 3 ERAs.
4 starters had ERAs under 4 (Appier, Lackey, Ortiz, Washburn). 

Ohtani is the DH.

Either one, but he is has been injured several times and he hasn't played above average defense in center field in three years. Time to move.

Marsh needs to be the starting center fielder next year. Trout needs to move to left field. Let's hope Adell can be league average in right.

Either one, but he is has been injured several times and he hasn't played above average defense in center field in three years. Time to move.