kevinb

Getting Theo Epstein would be the score of the century. I doubt that happens with Maddon as the manager. But if I had to pick GN/President of baseball operations is way more important than manager. Get it done Arte. 

The problem I see in a 6 man rotation is that you are paying guys like they are pitching in a 5 man rotation. Players wont want to be paid less for pitching less. Players want to be paid more. So you are essentially paying players more for less. Doesn't make sense. Ohtani needs to either figure out how to pitch in a 5 man rotation and stay healthy or move him to the bullpen where he can bat daily and pitch when they need him to, or we can just scrap either the pitching or the hitting all together. He is a unique talent, but we can't bend our team every which way just to maybe make it work. 

That's pretty cool. 

6 hours ago, GrittyVeterans said:

We need Arte to sell. 
 

And I don’t mean sell talent from the MLB club. I mean sell the entire franchise.

Guy isn’t cut out to be an owner. The good teams don’t have an owner that’s involved in decisions like he is

Eppler will be getting another chance at being a Gm in this league elsewhere just like Dipoto did

Sure. You have 2.5 billion dollars to offer him? Arte isn’t going anywhere as long as he is healthy. 

3 minutes ago, stormngt said:

You think.

Everything is Arte fault and GM ismt responsible of anything.  Why dud we fire Eppler if Arte is the one making important decisions. 

You really need to get control of your messages I can barely read them. I don’t think Arte is just to blame I think Arte takes some blame and some praise for the signings. I think that the GM for the Angels as it’s constructed now does more of the trades and smaller signings. I think Artes hands and rightfully so are on the bigger marquee guys. We saw that when Arte was the guy on the phone with Albert before he signed. I know it’s been 9 plus years but those videos I vividly remember. 

2 hours ago, mymerlincat said:

 

Two great people to help lead the search. Both World Series champions. 

It looks like they are open to the idea of a couple people being hired maybe a president of baseball operations and a gm. Looks like they are doing a lot of soul searching. Hopefully we get the right guy/gal this next go around. I am looking forward to the future of Angels baseball. 

31 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Ok bro.  Yes what I have read.  Sorry that wasn’t clear.  I am incredibly sorry that you took offense to being called out for being ignorant by a handful of people.  

I take no offense. I take no bother. We have a different of opinions. I don't name call either it is what it is. I have my opinions you have yours neither of us are in the room or the negotiating discussions so we don't know what's actually happening behind the scenes. It is all just message board banter nothing more nothing less. You are a good person you don't need to stoop to the level of name calling, you are better than that. 

3 hours ago, Stradling said:

For starters I never called it a fact, I said what I heard.  Two, I’m not the one that called you out for considering rumors to be fact.  Quote someone else when you want to be an ignorant toolb. 

Lol what you’ve heard. You mean what you’ve read just like everyone else. Always entertaining. I’d stoop to your level but I won’t b. 

18 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Regains was responsible for the Wells trade.  He was the GM. 

Based on your logic no one is to blame for their poor performance.   All you have to do blame the owner instead.

Nope. As I’ve said before I think Arte is in charge of the big signings. Like he is the one going after these guys. The reports were that he personally made the pitch for Pujols, Rendon and Maddon. I think the GM we’ve had are more focused on other signings. 

20 hours ago, Lou said:

Donaldson did not make the Twins roster for the Wild Card Series. 

Despite his poor average. Donaldson actually put up some pretty good numbers this year posting over an 800 ops. I don’t think anyone or maybe they did I don’t know? Wanted Donaldson over Rendon. Rendon is younger and the better player now. Donaldson is still good though. Who knows at that age and with that injury history though for how much longer. 

Bauer is the free agent to get. He’s young and you don’t have to vibe up talent to get him. It’s time to find the right guy to make the pitch to sign him. 

37 minutes ago, stormngt said:

So says the rumor!

The only fact I know is that Dipshito was the GM when we signed Hamilton and Pujols.   Hamilton and Pujols is 9n Dipshitos record !

And Reagins was the GM when Wells was traded for but people blame Arte for that too. Also read what you write before you write it I don’t know what 9n or mame means. 

8 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Wait a second:

Wasn't it Dipshito who signed Pujols?  Wasn't him who signed Hamilton?

Eppler was stuck Pujols because of Dipshito!

Can you mame the so called bad contracts Dipshito inherited?  Wells?  Wells didnt stop Dipshito from signing Pujols, Wilson and Hamilton.  Pujols and Hamilton did prevent Eppler from signing FA until Rendon.

Arte signed Hamilton and Pujols just like Arte signed Trout and Rendon. 

9 hours ago, Stradling said:

I think it had as much to do with location as it did with money.  What I have heard with Keuchel is we didn’t want to go to 3 years with him, which probably was a bad choice.  I mean in two years it will be a good choice, but this year it wasn’t.  

So rumors are facts now. What you’ve heard lol you mean what you’ve read just like everyone else. You can’t make this shit up. 

6 hours ago, Dochalo said:

I thought I would weigh in because we'd had similar types of discussions in the past.  Not on the same topic but just about the conclusions you draw from a single snapshot in time without looking at the whole situation.  And you're doing it again.  

to draw some sort of conclusion that Jerry is doing a better job in Seattle because they beat the Angels by one game this year is just absurd.  Dipoto was given a much different opportunity than Eppler.  It's not even close to the same thing.  

@Stradling doesn't blindly the defend the Angels.  The hill he dies on is when people don't make an effort to put things into perspective and understand context.  

We all agree that Eppler could have done a better job.  He doesn't defend Albert or Maddon and He's not coming to Eppler's defense.  He's defending reason and a lack thereof for how you've drawn your conclusions.  

If Eppler was saddled with terrible contracts so was Jerry. Again I don’t care but Eppler was here for Albert and Hamilton just as Jerry had those two. Albert was a little better Hamilton was still garbage. I get it we look at things differently. Over a 5 year span what the Mariners have spent compared to what the Angels have spent in terms of payroll isn’t that close. In the span that Eppler had been the GM of the Angels he accumulated 332 wins. What Seattle has done under Dipoto is 348 wins. Even with Dipoto basically having a fire sale in there as well. I don’t think either are great GMs but Dipotos record is better. And if you want to throw his record with the same owner and team then it’d be even different. And to the 5 years isn’t enough time to show progress crowd, sure seems like Dipoto was given 5 years and he has a better record than Eppler. And even had a couple winning seasons in there. But whatever none of this matters neither are the GMs of the Angels anymore. 

55 minutes ago, Lou said:

So rumors are now facts? 

You can choose to believe them or not. My belief is that Arte is the one signing the big contracts and the GM is doing the smaller ones. Arte was known to be the one calling Albert and making the pitch. 

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

This is 100% proof that you don’t get it.  You don’t understand the team Jerry took over compared to what he left behind.  Because if you understood it you’d be arguing something completely different. Also fuck the narrative that Arte hamstrung Dipoto with those contracts.  Dipoto had no problem taking credit.  It’s a GMs job to protect the owner from himself, he failed at that. Just like Eppler failed at getting pitching.  

Agree you just don’t get it if you did you’d understand that 5 years is plenty. You don’t know what happened with Arte and Dipoto and what happened. But rumors are that Arte was the one mostly involved and that’s all we know. Everything else is speculation. We also don’t know what conversations Eppler had with Arte. 
 

How long has Dipoto been with Seattle? What’s Seattle’s record this year? What’s the Angels? 
 

I don’t care about Eppler or Dipoto neither are employed by the Angels for good reason. But your complete defense of anything Eppler or Angels players for that matter is like clockwork. Ready. Justin Upton had a 711 ops this year. Last year he had a 724 and before that an 808. Look

My hopes for the postseason. Every series is a sweep and the offseason gets here fast. I honestly don’t care who wins and won’t watch a single postseason game. Go Angels hire a President of baseball operations and hire a GM. It’s time you join the ranks of the other successful teams in the sport. 

4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I mean if you ignore context then sure. 

5 years is a lifetime. Do you expect the next GM hires to get 6-10 years to make the playoffs? 5 years is plenty to show progress. Eppler didn’t even show a winning record in 5 years. You know what Jerry did in less time? Went to the playoffs and had a 90 plus win season even with Arte hamstringing him with 350 million dollars in contracts to Albert and Hamilton. Excited to see who Arte hires and hope it works out. I’d give them the same 5 year contract and expect them to succeed in that time with a top 5 payroll. The other teams with those types of payrolls did. Eppler handpicked a manager that he groomed that was such an epic failure he was fired after 1 year. 

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

Ok, then I guess we should expect Bundy to be a borderline Ace, Mike Myers to be an amazing closer and for Trout to mortal.  

I expect Trout to be more mortal than what he has been previously. He’s getting older and he has a lot of wear and tear. I expect him to be all star and mvp level but not super hero anymore. 

Our lineup is good enough too 10 or arguably top 5. The Angels need pitching pitching and more pitching that is it. If they can find a way to jettison Pujols and Upton that would be great too to save payroll but that’s not happening. All this team needs is pitching and we are a contender simple enough. 

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

No, not really.  

Yes it really is

8 hours ago, aznhockeyguy said:

 

Valid points, I guess bad experience is still experience.  I'm not sure if I'm right or wrong on this, but with the notable exception of Dipoto, if you don't do very well in your first GM job,  it's very difficult to get another.  Because of this, I would think a GM candidate would think long and hard before coming to work for Arte.  I just think he may have unrealistic expectations which will be very difficult to fulfill. 

Arte may be a difficult owner to deal with. But let’s honestly look at the upside. Arte spends on a top 5 payroll. You will be living in the second largest media market. You have arguably the best if not too 3 player in all of baseball. Hate him or love him Adell was the number 2 ranked prospect in all of baseball. These are all reasons why if Arte offered anyone who’s not a GM currently a job and some who are currently a GM of a club would accept his offer to run the Angels. 

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

Best: Simmons trade, Trout ext, Ohtani sweepstakes, Rendon signing, Bundy trade & Stassi trade. 

Worst: Cozart, Harvey, Cahill, Allen, Teheran, releasing Yates. 

How bout trading your first round pick to get rid of Cozart.