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3 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:
Good to see you so willing to engage and hear others out dude.. so, Props. The forum has been a good read lately, not a lot of the sort of crap you talking about... just people debating, discussing, and sharing their opinions minus the petty BS. It makes for a better experience for all of us.
I couldn't agree more with the point about less bitter petty stuff much more enjoyable when it's just discussing and debating. To the other point always ready to engage and for the most part I will admit when I am wrong and gladly accept that. Thanks for the clarification on some of the Dipoto signings I totally forgot about those. 3
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30 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:
You're comparing year by year total payrolls to each other and claiming the facts support your opinion... in doing so you're putting those deals onto Eppler.
You also continue to lump extensions to players with FAs and talk up Trout for Eppler but seemingly forget the 144 million extension he signed under Dipoto or the extensions to HK and Aybar at 35 mil each. He also traded for and extended Iannetta for 15 mil -- all those deals came in year number 1 of his tenure. You mention Eppler's pitching acquisitions and completely forget about Madsen, Burnett, Blanton and Street (another extenstion 19 mil) -- those guys cost the Angels 45 mil, one of them didn't pitch for them at all and still managed to get a roster bonus ... I guess he went on the DL?
In an apples to apples comparison of who spent more on FA's -- Dipoto wins. You can move the goal posts all you like to try to make your case but when it comes to FAs, there just is no discussion to be had.
Totally forgot about those pitching acquisition of Dipoto and the extensions of HK and EA and the trade for Iannetta. Good point. I guess they are a lot closer than I would have thought. Appreciate the clarification with out the subtle digs rudeness etc, I guess perception is not always reality. My perception seems off on this one then.
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48 minutes ago, Stradling said:
Which means you’d have to trade him or let him walk.
Sure if he wouldn't have accepted that then ok. It happens.
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8 hours ago, Dochalo said:
I'm confused because you keep talking about spending on free agents and then you're including others that weren't free agents.
Upton never opted out btw. He signed his extension before become a free agent.
If you are looking at overall money spent, it's actually about the same although Eppler did so over 5 years while JD did it over 4 years.
FYI, the numbers from USA today are inaccurate (it's opening day payroll. not actual which includes guys on the DL etc) .
Neither did a very good job of spending on the major league club. But to say that Eppler spent a ton more than JD is just incorrect. Whether on free agency or just contracts in general.
Both actually doled out close to a billion in contracts over their tenure.
JD was left with some baggage and in turn left Eppler with a fair amount. JD got the major league team more wins but absolutely decimated the farm and development process of the franchise in doing so. Eppler is leaving the next guy some baggage as well. But at least the farm is solid, and most of the infrastructure is good.
So even if Upton didn’t opt out which I thought he did then they added years on. He still added Upton and his salary. And then re signed his salary for more years. Which is still increasing payroll similar to the Simmons trade it increased payroll.
Also none of this was meant to bag on Eppler or Dipoto. Both I feel failed the Angels. It started with the premise that @Second Basesaid something to the effect that Arte wouldn’t trust someone else spending the kind of money Dipoto did and I disagreed. I don’t know how it devolved into this but here we are
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9 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:
Kev....
First, you need to start by throwng out the USA Today salary numbers, they are off.... Big time. They are notoriously bad in part because they tend to lop off dead money and guys being paid to play for other teams. Its as bad a source for that data as you could possibly find.
Second... C'mon dude.... that's not how salaries work in MLB.
The Angels payroll in 2012 ranked 4th in MLB, in 2019 it was down to 10th, it would have ranked 12th in 2020. The dollar figures may have gone up, but when compared to the industry, the payroll has been decreasing.... especially when you consider all the back loaded deals. Look at AP for example ... AP is making almost three times as much now (30 mi), as he did in his first year 12 mil. Your comparison puts those dollars on Eppler when he had nothing to do with that deal. Ditto Mike Trout... His first extension ran through 2020. He was making 1 mil in 2014 when he signed that deal, by 2018 it was up to 34 mil.
Look no further than the salary data for 2016, Eppler's first year as GM if you want to get a clearer picture of what was going on... https://www.spotrac.com/research/MLB/2016-mlb-end-of-year-payrolls-615/ Eppler's big FA add that year was who Pennington? He traded for Escobar but even if you treat him as a FA it was chump change..... and yet they were up at 180 mil at the end of the season... Who was most of that money going to? Five guys he had nothing to do with...
Hamilton 26.4 mil, AP 25 mil, Wilson 20 mil, Weaver 20 mil, Trout 16 mil.... That's 107.4 mil, 46.4 mil of dead money.
Get better info, do better research... You missed the mark here.
My comparison isn’t trying to put pujols hamilton or Wilson on Eppler. Simply putting Upton Rendon his pitching acquisitions and the handful of random free agent players he signed and players he traded for that cost money like Simmons. Dipoto spent 250 on pujols 125 on Hamilton and honestly can’t remember on Wilson it was somewhere in the 75 million range? Maybe it’s closer than I originally thought. But with trout as well it’s not close. It’s been a hectic ass couple weeks at work so I don’t have a ton of time to research the ins and outs of all the numbers maybe it’s closer than I thought. But me tallying up all those guys seems like it’s a landslide with Eppler spending money to Dipoto. Plus Dipoto was only here 3 years? To Epplers 5.
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10 hours ago, Stradling said:
So then you were in favor of trading him or letting him walk. That certainly is an opinion.
I was or I was in favor of giving him more money till that 35-36 year. I’ve said it multiple times but I’m not in favor of paying anyone over that age and even 35/36 is pushing it. I’d gladly pay more to have a shorter contract.
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Let's go Dodgers let So Cal own the sports world. Lakers just won the title and now it's time the Dodgers do to.
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10 minutes ago, stormngt said:
Well shit! Maybe we shouldn't spent so much money on Trout and Rendon!
That's awesome! I am so glad you totally got what I was saying. Also I love Trout the guys top 5 arguably of all time. But I was against re signing him to a 12 year contract I didn't want to pay him over the age of 36.
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1 hour ago, Stradling said:
No, he hasn’t. Eppler hasn’t spent over $400 million in free agency, Dipoto has.
1 hour ago, Dochalo said:dude. you are just wrong.
Rendon, all the pitchers I am not calculating, Cozart, the random guys here and there, Upton remember he opted out.
And total Eppler has spent much more than Dipoto it's really not an argument. Our payroll is significantly more than it was when Dipoto was our GM. Here is the payroll history of the Angels so you don't have to google. Thanks for playing.
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/mlb/angels/salaries/2014/team/all/# -
Just now, Stradling said:
Oh ok, so it isn’t free agent dollars spent, got it.
Eppler has spent more money in free agency than Dipoto as GM of the Angels as well as more money in general than Dipoto did as GM. It's not hard to argue that.
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1 hour ago, Stradling said:
I was simply using your words. You said free agency so I used free agency as my guideline. One took over a good team with a decent farm, the other took over a bad team with a nonexistent farm.
In free agency Dipoto spent less than Eppler has in free agency while being the GM of the Angels. With in house people and free agency Eppler spent more money than Dipoto by a large portion. Which ever way you want to slice it Eppler spent more money. It really isn't debatable.
Dude! I don't care about the one took over a good team this isn't even the argument I am making. The argument was to @Second Base saying Moreno wouldn't trust someone with lots of money and I was saying to HIM that Eppler spent more than Dipoto did as the GM of the Angels. Look at the context of what I was actually saying. I could care less if Dipoto or Eppler took over a bad or great situation that's not anything to this conversation. It's dollars spent plain and simple. End of story. Eppler spent more than Dipoto.
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2 hours ago, Stradling said:
No, chance the wins per million favors Dipoto. Dipoto is still getting loses on Albert. So every loss on Eppler for Upton and Rendon, Dipoto is still getting those losses based on Albert. Every loss through 2017 with money going to Albert and Hamilton is on Dipoto if that how you want to grade this. In free agency Dipoto spent $450 plus million on Wilson, Albert and Hamilton. Eppler spent $330 million on Upton and Rendon. Plus all his ugly 1 year pitching contracts.
Money spent is money spent whether it's on free agency or in house players. Eppler had spent a lot more money than Dipoto it's reality if you don't want to live in that reality then fine but Upton Trout Rendon pitching acquisitions Cozart etc is money spent by Eppler. I don't have the time nor do I really want to go through how much that costs. But saying Eppler spent less than Dipoto is completely false.
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3 hours ago, Second Base said:
On extending players that were already performing in Anaheim (with the exception of Rendon). They were also shorter term deals, or deals that would expire while players are still physically capable. Considerably less risk.
Albert's deal concludes a couple years into his 40's, Hamilton's was based on numbers he put up in Texas, and part of a clubhouse that was vastly different than the Angels, and Wilson.....well I still argue that Wilson was a smart move. I'd have made that decision to sign him too.
Point being, while money is money, the work that Eppler put vast sums towards were much smarter than anything Dipoto did.
Sure maybe they were smarter deals maybe they weren't fact is Eppler spent much more money than Dipoto did in free agency. I would bet that wins per million spent Dipoto comes out on top on that chart for the Angels.
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19 hours ago, Second Base said:
Foreseeably, I don't envision any Angels GM ever having reign to spend like Dipoto did. I think that's why every name that's popping up is someone with success in drafting, signing and developing players. The Angels need someone with the long term vision and ability to communicate like Eppler coupled with the short term ability to produce a winner.
Sure, it'll be great when that money from Albert's contract is freed up, but through arbitration and free agency, our players will get more expensive and the only way to offset those costs is to develop your own talent.
Eppler has spent more money than Dipoto I don’t understand this argument. Trout. Rendon. Upton. Much more than Albert Hamilton and Wilson.
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32 minutes ago, Stradling said:
“Someone”
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4 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:
Yeah, I like his swagger on the field and obviously what he would do on the mound, but I could do without his social media antics.
I disagree I think it's kind of fun. Baseball needs some more personalities on and off the field. It's all in good fun and getting the fans into it as well.
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3 hours ago, tdawg87 said:
I used to watch him back in the day when I was a kid. Ted DeBiase or something right?
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gross no thanks
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On 10/2/2020 at 5:30 PM, Warfarin said:
From my understanding, some pitchers actually "pitched" simulated games during the shutdown, for the sake of staying ready. I saw some pitchers estimating they actually "threw" 120-150 innings total for the season.
So while the stats may indicate low workloads, it's possible a chunk of them actually pitched considerably more than we see on the stat line.
That’s awesome if they did but still I don’t believe you can simulate live games or what I mean to say is the real wear and tear an actual live game can cause on an arm.
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Good luck. Arte firing his friend. Ya that’s not happening. Try again.
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7 hours ago, Trendon said:
Would Arte pay Theo what he would want/command? Theo was making $10M per season on his last contract.
You’d hope
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Morosi: Names emerge in Angels GM search
in LA Angels | MLB Daily
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Why do you say that? I hope Eppler has a good career in front of him. It didn't work out here in Anaheim for whatever reason. I hope the Angels make the right move on the next hire or two.