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Team colors are red. Both players heads are red. Just call us Ginger Nation.

To many beers, beer?

There were a couple of comments on the broadcast about how they were helping Schuck work on his routes and defense.

The player still has his no trade clause and could still block it. That is my understanding of the rules.

I picked Richards because I think he is immensely underrated and he has a good repetoire of pitches that are all above average. He keeps a decently low walk rate combined with a good strikeout rate and has high heat for a starter (~95mph). Others I would pick would be Hamilton, Blanton, Dane De La Rosa (who will play a prominent late inning role for us), and Jerome Williams.

Don't hold your breath.... When you blow out the candles.

I'd like to see the A's, Cardinals, or Rays win it. Also I wouldn't mind seeing Torii Hunter (specifically) pick up a ring.

Am I not reading the last sentence right? Is it saying that because it was partially torn it will heal on its own?

That thread was definitely not Scott34's finest moment.

This is what I mean by letting Dipoto's strategic moves and acquisitions take their time to play out. Green may not do well in his first couple of seasons in the Majors, a lot of prospects don't just come in and produce right out of the gate, it takes time. I'll admit the Blanton signing did NOT pan out for us this year. Overall he just didn't pitch well during the season. However, I don't think Dipoto was completely insane with this decision either: In a 7-game period from late May until the end of June Joe had a 3.42 ERA with 46 strikeouts over 47 innings (nearly a 9.0 K/9 ratio)? Although he was abyssmal in many of his other games there was a stretch where Blanton actually pitched pretty well. I think this was what Jerry had hoped for out of Blanton when he made the decision to sign him. I guess what I am trying to say is that Dipoto's decision making wasn't as completely flawed as it appears because if Blanton was truly so awful, why did he have a month and a half of brilliance? It was just one of those signings, along with Hamilton's, that took a really bad turn.

It's not the waiver period that has changed but the addition of the 2nd Wild Card spot through the Collective Bargaining Agreement. The reason you didn't see as many trades at the deadline was because there are still some teams that believe they have a shot of getting into the playoffs even though they are 5+ games out of catching the leaders in their division. A 2nd Wild Card spot increases the odds that any team out on the fringe might be able to improve their team and sneak into the playoffs. Having the trade deadline at the end of July leaves almost two full months of the regular season and some teams are not ready to throw in the towel that early. There have been recent suggestions that the trade deadline get pushed back further into mid-August so that there is better clarity on which teams are really sellers and which ones are really buyers. The later the deadline the more likely you will see more trades as out-of-contention teams sell off their spare parts. This is what Chuck means by a better chance to make deals because more teams will soon realize they are either all-in or out of the race. That's when you are more likely to see more deals done. The only counterpoint to this is that some teams can make waiver claims on specific players to block another team from being able to claim that player and connsumate a transaction.

Although I think we will do better next season, it will probably not be enough to win the division. I do think 2014 will be a transition year where are younger prospects develop and we retool the lineup to better optimize our offense, pitching, and defense. 2015 is a more likely target for winning in my opinion.

Your counter point is regarding new managers moreso than a new GM. In that aspect we have seen two years in a row of underachievement and it has even a staunch S-C-I-O-S-C-I-A supporter like myself questioning if he is the right voice to lead that clubhouse anymore. I think at his core he is a good manager but he has made some not so good calls over the last two years and sometimes you just need a fresh look and feel with your clubhouse leaders. Maybe it's time? I don't know the answer and I'm not in the organization to understand the dynamics and relationships to have any really educated opinion on it.

True he doesn't know how this trade will pan out yet but that is the point that some people here are trying to make about Dipoto: How can you criticize these trade (or lack of trade) moves when it takes 1-3 seasons to really see how the transactions pan out? Grant Green may be great and he may suck. But, since he is a prospect, we won't know his true potential for probably 2-4 seasons? Most prospects come up to the Majors and do poorly in their first 1-3 years. Point is that DIpoto as a GM cannot turn this ship around in one or two seasons. If by 2015 we aren't beginning to see improvements then I think you have to seriously start questioning his leadership at the helm.

Vladdy, how many deadline trades would you consider steals for either team? The only one that might have been close to a steal was the Red Sox ACQUIRING Peavy for less than they should have paid. The other handful of transactions were equitable trades. I didn't see any teams "give in" at this deadline? First there are August waivers and Chuck is correct that as more teams realize they are going to make the playoffs or miss them you will likely see some additional trades. Secondly in the offseason there will likely be more teams showing interest in players as they look to rebuild, retool, or add a piece for 2014. I understand that there are a few specific teams that might have a specific need to fill at the deadline and there is a possibility they will overpay but having 6-10 teams interested in the offseason vs. 1-3 teams at the deadline not only makes the price potentially go up it also allows us to find a team that has the right prospects/players we want in return. In the end I think Dipoto didn't get the right return offer for Kendrick or Aybar and he decided to wait until August waivers or the offseason to get the right return.

I have come to the conclusion that you either misread my post and/or I didn't write it in a crystal clear fashion. I was stating that from the Angels point of view it would be stupid to do the third option in the revocable waivers rules (i.e. "doing nothing") and allow him to be claimed off of said waiver. We are on the same page Slappy.

No Mark it just seems like he hasn't found the right opportunity on the right team. He has skills but his previous teams didn't have the patience or playing time to give to him it seems.

Yes that is why they are called revocable waivers.

Aybar has value so it would be foolish for the Angels to just let a team claim him and take him for nothing on revocable waivers. If you were to let anyone go it should be a big contract like Pujols. Everyone else on the team has value relative to how much they are making. I don't think you should consider moving Hamilton even as this was only his first season in an Angels uniform.

What happened to Stro's before Hoes?

Jerry Dipoto doesn't have a magic wand that he can just wave and make everything better in one fell swoop. Developing and improving an organization takes time and effort. If we don't start to see improvements by the 2015 season then consider replacing him. Very few GM's have ever just walked into a job and have had a great team already on the field. GM's usually come in when the previous GM f**ked things up.

"Well unless you are a fool, that boy is off the market!"

I'm totally turned on now Strad....

Angelsjunky, on 11 Jul 2013 - 06:53 AM, said: That's a lot of legwork, Robert, for what I could have told you: trading Kendrick is very, very unlikely. Are you coming around now AJ?

Hi storm, You are correct that there are concerns about the TMJ surgery. My point was that Bundy is a special type of talent that would be worth the risk. Kendrick for Bundy sounds about right but if we had to throw in Vargas it wouldn't bother me.