Angels in 2030

But, it's accurate for Alex Cobb either way!

Cobb had a higher OPS+ than Heaney last year.

Another one year deal...  We are going to have to replace our entire pitching staff again next year. The good news is it allows us to trade them all if we are out of the race I guess.  Just seems like we will be going through all of this again in a year. 
 
 

If Bundy has a similar year he is getting 20+ million a year.

@Angelsjunky And you two keep talking about Quintana as it he's anything more than a Harvey-Cahill-Teheran retread, as if you say it enough, it'll actually be true.
You can paint that picture however you like, it won't change anything.
Harvey will be good because he's recovered his lost velocity, he's still young, he's got the ace upside and the days of the Dark Knight will return.
Cahill is coming off a very good season. In fact, two and a half of his last three seasons have been very good. Even his underlying numbers like FIP prove that he's still a very good pitcher. Angels got a bargain. 
Teheran gives you innings and he outperforms his peripherals every single year. Three of his last four years, he's thrown at least 170 innings with an ERA under 4.00. 
And it's the same crap with Quintana. "Well his underlying numbers are good, and he'll have a better defense behind him, and he used to be good for the White Sox, and his stuff is still all the same." 
Maybe Quintana will be better. Maybe. But you don't know that. You can't. And the case for him being better is no stronger than any of the three piles of garbage that came before him.
The reason I call Quintana a number four starter? Because I'm not so naiive to pretend he's a mid rotation starter. The case for that is weak and it's just stupid to expect that. And I'm also not so pessimistic to believe that just because his predecessors were bottom of the rotation crap doesn't mean he'll be bottom of the rotation crap. The happy middle ground is #4 starter. Decent. Good enough to stay in the rotation, but not so good that I want him starting game four of the World Series.
I think everything I just laid out to you gents is logical and fair. And I mean no ill-will. I like that you're optimistic. I really do. I just don't share it for Quintana, at all.

So basically we have nothing to trade.
I understand the need to keep our prospects but you can't just go through the entire top 6-7 guys and say "these guys are 100% off the table". 
For the right guy, no one should be untouchable.

I'll include @Dochalo in this, because we've had a previous conversation on this, but the early results I've seen from Minasian haven't been encouraging, not because of the players he's brought in, but the players he hasn't. 
Missing Darvish at the price he was acquired looks like an opportunity missed. He's the exact sort of pitcher this team has needed. But after payroll constraints have left the team looking for value plays, we've seen some pretty decent options come off the board that really could've helped. 
I'll reserve judgment until I see the body of work, but it isn't looking great on February 1st (just a day away). I'm hoping it's a Bob Ross situation where the painting looks ruined at first and then it becomes a masterpiece.

There's specific reasons not to trade any of our top prospects right now. 
1. Minasian and the rest of the front office need to get a better look at at them.
2. In Adell, as Maddon has said, he wasn't able to prepare. Just thrown in to the majors and tried to make it on athleticism alone, which is impossible to do. Let him develop into the star they think he'll be. Justin Upton clearly isn't a sure thing at this point. Either he's solid and under contract two more years of he needs to stay being phased out in LF and Adell phased in.
3. Marsh is next in line for RF. There's no one in front of him and unless Ward makes a developmental leap, that chance will come sooner rather than later. 
4. Jordyn Adams' value hasn't had a chance to inflate the way it otherwise would have. He's got the highest upside in the system and he still has two more years before he even needs to be on the 40 man. Trout won't be in CF forever, and Adams is growing into an elite defender out there. 
5. One report suggested the Angels have been trying to find a match in a trade that would've shed payroll, opening up the opportunity pursue Bauer. That means Upton. Not saying they'll trade him, that contract is under water and he has a NTC but in the even he is dealt to someone like the Dodgers for David Price, then the Angels would need outfielders. 
6. Don't trade Rodriguez, Detmers or Kochanowicz because they're pitchers and this team needs a lot more, just like them. 

I just think we need a guy beyond this year. Currently we have Bundy, Heaney, and Quintana going to free agency next year. If we add another 1-year guy, that's almost an entire rotation we'll have to replace or re-sign next offseason. Not a good place to be in.

Let’s just keep lowering expectations until it is impossible to be disappointed.

AW pack roving the halls...
Torres to the left in the can

Yeah, I know... I'm just messing with you.

None of us older guys can read that tiny print.  C'mon!

Both to change subjects, but Phillies getting Matt Moore for 3 million is a pretty solid investment in my mind. He performed very well in Japan and has some upside to him. Low base salary. 

Haha no you’re good bro (unless you’re being sarcastic right now), I’ve just noticed you’ve been extra hostile lately.

This guy knows just as much as Maria, and I value his info just as much i.e. not at all. He said before that we're "still in", now we need to free up money. He's just giving himself an excuse if and when the Angels don't sign Bauer. "They were in it but couldn't free up enough space for Arte to pull the trigger". 
It's all a bunch of crap. Twitter is so stupid.

Pipe down and let people go crazy. It's very enjoyable to watch.

The real problem was the lack of drafting (US draft & Int'l FA) pitchers and developing them internally.  This goes back the last 5-8 years prior to the 2020 draft.  Signing pitchers in FA are actually a very bad investment in general & historically speaking.

And that's what media has become - stories are more about generating controversy and outrage than "facts" because controversy and outrage means more clicks, and more eyeballs, and more money.
I'm sure this:

sold more copies than this:
 
 

No. This is not the problem in America. Absolute dismissal of differing opinions is the problem. This applies to all sides.

So pretty much like AW sometimes 😉🤭😜