This is how I see it. If we wanted to concentrate on starters, then keep Santiago. If we want to get arms, we could have traded Santiago for younger guys with better track records or younger track records. Nolasco is who he is. He's not going to get better overnight. This deal is going to rely on Meyer. I think Santiago IS better than Nolasco so they're not a wash. Santiago had been playing well and was comfortable playing for us. Now we have to start over with Nolasco. I'm not ready to say Eppler is awful because he's done some good things, but like the Simmons' deal, as someone has said, I am scratching my head. The good thing is that that deal has worked out so far. Hopefully, Eppler is right about this too.