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Anaheim residents should be thrilled... They are getting screwed over by this deal. Politicians bend over backwards for billionaire sports owners and subsidize sports stadiums that generate very little revenue. Arte has no leverage and they sold him the land at a fraction of the cost without even a guarantee that he would build a new stadium. The city owes the residents the best bang for the buck. Arte is such a money grubbing ahole... between his treatment of minor leaguers, hiring of LaRussa, and screwing Anaheim in this deal it has been really hard for me to root for the Angels recently. I love Trout and Ohtani, but honestly, moving would just really give me the excuse to separate myself from this team. I don't really care one way or another. I am a Chargers fan and it's really really bad when the Spanos family is a much easier to support (And props to SD for not subsidizing a stadium for them. SD is doing just fine without the Chargers). Anaheim will do just fine if Arte decides to leave.

Matthew Boyd was non tendered. I seem to recall people here wanting to trade Marsh for him. Maybe I'm wrong on the details, but people loved him for some reason.

Yup. Mets fans on Twitter don't understand why this is bad for the franchise. Cohen looks like a guy who doesn't understand how baseball works, is over emotional, and runs his mouth in public. Why would anyone want to work for him. I don't think Arte is a good owner, but even I am thinking to myself that I'm really glad I'm not a Mets fan.

Hell yeah we should go after him! When this team is 15 games out in mid August do I want to watch Ervin Santana pitch or some random guy we claimed off waivers from the Cardinals in mid July? I have reached a point where I don't think the Angels will realistically win anything in the foreseeable future so I'm judging all moves based on whether or not it will be fun or enjoyable to watch.

I disagree. He says what he wants. He was definitely being phony in this case, but so many guys just throw out BS cliche after BS cliche. His press conference when he went to camp was unlike anything I've ever seen in sports. Compare that to a guy like Russell Wilson (I never wanted to be traded, but if I did want to be traded I wanted to be traded to these 4 teams) doing pregame dancing on the field with a hurt thumb.

I think people here would be shocked at how much revenue these teams bring in each year and how little they spend on salaries each year if teams were forced to open their books. Posters make jokes about yacht fuel now, but I think they would be outraged. I know the NFL isn't MLB but read this story from ESPN today. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32486646/los-angeles-rams-owner-stan-kroenke-angers-nfl-owners-financial-pivot-related-lawsuit-st-louis-move-sources-say NFL owners would rather do just about anything than open their books. Owners would rather risk fines, contempt charges, and losing billion dollar lawsuits than open their books. Either teams are losing so much money it would tank their franchise values or they make so much money its ridiculously embarrassing what they pay players and that they ask taxpayers for money to build stadiums.

You can bet if there were relegation that we wouldn't have teams spending $60 million on payroll.

I can't wait until I can bump this thread again when Kyler signs a contract extension this offseason that pays him more than Mike Trout. He made a good choice.

I was born in the mid 80s and didn't really get into baseball until around 1991. All I've ever heard about in my entire lifetime is how much better baseball used to be back in the day, except for one period of my life. That was the mid 90s. I seem to recall people loved it (except the strike). They used to trash the 80s and the low scoring nature of games. Were those people wrong about 80s baseball? Did I miss something awesome or are people just nostalgic for something different? I swear the biggest problem with baseball is that they keep putting guys on TV who hate baseball. Guys are out there throwing gas with breaking balls that are on a string. Shortstops can hit the ball 480 feet! People should be excited about this. When I was a kid the second baseman and shortstop were auto out so often. It's like if basketball spent so much time on each broadcast talking about how awesome 90s-early 2000s basketball was. You know what we need more of? Throwing it down into the post where a guy tries to back someone down and then throws it out to someone who can't hit an outside jumper. Or we get a guy taking 20 dribbles trying to break someone down only to launch a fall away jumper as the clock expires. We have 7 foot guys who can dribble, pass, and shoot from anywhere! The ball is constantly moving, it's awesome! Get guys in the booth who actually like watching guys throw great pitches, make amazing defensive plays, and hit the ball to the moon instead of trying to take us back to 1985.

Exactly right. This game was a real clunker. The Chargers decision making in this game led to the score being more lopsided than it could have been. This is a game that Lynn would have lost by 3-8 points, but we would have had no shot at winning. If a few fourth down decisions had gone our way, maybe we take this one with Staley. I'd much rather have it this way.

Chargers need to take a knee there or go for the touchdown. I don't understand running the ball and risking a bad exchange and then scoring. Either you want to score or you want to burn clock.

It's not really about the girl. It's that he spent the entire press conference talking about how it was a gut wrenching loss. He spent the whole offseason talking about how they were going to be the hardest working team and staff. Then he didn't fly home on the plane with the team. I didn't find it to be a big deal, but I guess in NFL culture it's a big thing. Coaches spend that time going over the game with the team and watching film. He also didn't take accountability with the team the way he would expect them to. It just shows to the team he's not putting in the effort and/or he doesn't care. The issue is that he's losing the locker room for that, not that he got a lap dance. https://theathletic.com/podcast/211-the-athletic-football-show/?episode=201 Here's Mitchell Schwartz talking about why it's a big deal and a disaster for him in the locker room. He is the second guest about halfway through the podcast. It's really worth a listen if you genuinely want to know why NFL people think this is a big deal. If you just want to complain about cancel culture then it won't change your mind. Here's his former player at tOSU, Ryan Chazier, talking about it and basically saying the same thing. I didn't really see why it was a big deal either until I started listening to a bunch of former players saying it was.

I guess that means the Angels are moving to Monterrey.

You think that would be best? I imagine most Vegas locals don't live near the strip and probably want to avoid it as much as possible. It's not football where nearly every game is on a weekend so you can spend all day there, work isn't a concern that day, each visiting team plays there once a year, and you only have to go 8-10 times a year (if you count preseason). Baseball is every day, it's on weekdays, it's after work (or even during). Football is an event and baseball is a game. I'm not a Vegas expert and maybe locals live near the strip, frequent it often, and like going down there. But I think for baseball, you really need to focus on making things better and more convenient for the local fan base compared to football. Will Angels fans show up to more games in Vegas than Oakland? Probably. But we'll have 9 games there each year. How often are they making the trip? How different is that number if the game is a 30 minute Uber away in Henderson? Now think about Vegas locals and think about the reverse situation? How much more or less often are they likely to go to a game if it's on the strip vs. in Henderson or wherever?

Yeah, that's why it'll be indoors. In Oakland it's outdoors and I'm hoping they end up staying.

Sad. I don't like indoor baseball as much. It's just slightly off.

I agree. It seems like a no brainer to offer a QO on him. The Angels have had few FAs who fit the category of players who they should make a QO to and he is one of them. The two key factors are annual salary compared to QO and chance he'll get a better long term offer. I don't think the QO will be much higher than he'll get on an annual basis so the Angels can live with it if he takes it and I think it's likely he'll get an offer much better. People should also consider that maybe the Angels keep him long term and having the QO on him will give them a stronger negotiating position. If the QO reduces his market so much that he is considering taking it, then maybe the Angels can offer him a 3 year deal on more favorable terms than they could have without extending it to him.

Also, they've found most of the drop in batting average over the last decade on balls in play has been from outfielders playing deeper, not from the shift.

I'm not saying he can't succeed, but it should be noted that the league average fastball velocity has increased quite a bit since Washburn made his debut. Percy was throwing absolute gas at 95 when I was a kid. Now everyone throws 95. Hitter have adjusted. Obviously control, movement, tunneling, release, etc. all matter, too. But comparing velocities to guys 20 years ago doesn't seem to have much relevance to today's game.

The epitome of an arm chair GM. "When our players are duds I'd like to trade them for other teams best players. Now that they are good I would prefer to hang onto them." I get that you want to trade bad players for good players, but that isn't how trades generally work. Trades usually involve trading old players for young players to better fit a window, cheap players for expensive ones to reduce payroll, low ceiling high floor players for high ceiling low floor players to increase certainty, one surplus position for another in need, etc. What has changed over the last year (other than the performance of Marsh and Adell) that has changed your reasons for not making the trade? Did the Angels pitching get better so they have less of a need for pitching? Have Mike Trout and Justin Upton's injuries made you more worried about the need for 4 good outfielders for the Angels? If the answer is that it's really just performance, then the trade probably wasn't reasonable in the first place or that's it's probably still worth doing. MLB GMs aren't going off a player struggling for a month and a half or getting hot for a month and a half, either.

Yeah, that's definitely how addiction works.

Ummm... This wasn't cocaine. It was pain killer which Angels doctors may have put him on to start with. I'm not sure how much you have been following the issues with Oxycotin, but the company knowingly lied about how addictive it was. I'm not saying the team doctors are responsible for knowing about it either, but when a Dr. prescribes medicine for you, and you take it, you may be addicted before you know it. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/08/health/purdue-pharma-opioids-settlement.html

I think there were questions with Kendrick's defense in the minors. People (minor league evaluators) were pretty surprised with his defense when he came up. I think part of it may have had to do with the other guys in the system. Aybar and (I can't recall the second baseman that we traded to KC and eventually got back) were both supposed to be awesome defensively.