AcrossTheSeas

I think there is a really good chance he signs with the Dodgers or at least the Padres. We Angel fans won’t have to travel far to see him and we might actually get to see some good baseball at the same time. 

Think of it like when your parents split up. You’d get to travel to go see dad and his new girlfriend on the weekends and stay in a house much nicer than the one you were used to living in. Good times.

I can't help but want to math the crap out of this.  
So let's say he's Gerrit Cole in terms of talent but because of various restrictions, Ohtani is essentially 2/3rds of that.  Cole makes 36m per.  So lets say Ohtani's straight up pitching value is 24m.  
Now his offense.  He's probably about a 3 WAR DH.  But there's some criss cross apple sauce in terms of that value.  Brandon Marsh is probably a 3 WAR CFer with his paltry offense.  Trout is probably a 5 WAR DH.  
So here's the math I'm thinking of.  Is Adell plus Ward plus Trout plus Marsh.  Plus some bench guy we might not have yet.  How much more valuable is Ohtani plus Trout plus Ward plus Marsh plus Adell?  Some it this is future projections.  Some of this is injury related.  Some of it depends on that fifth guy.  
While Shohei is super exciting on offense, he's much more replaceable than people want to acknowledge.  
So what is his replacement value as a DH?  It's really not that much to be honest.  Maybe 10m max?  
Now the not so obvious math part.  What is Shohei's draw?  There is speculation that it's about 10m.  I would probably argue that it's more than that.  But what the hell do I know?
So.  Can you replace a 24m pitcher.  A 10m DH and a 15m cash cow?  So he's worth probably 50m.  And someone is about to pay him probably 45m.  Probably for longer than he's worth that 45m per year.  So at some point you're paying him 45m and he's not worth 50m anymore.  
Now.  What is your ROI if you trade him?  First of all, I don't think you miss his offense that much if you can acquire two really good position players and open up the DH spot to guys like Trout and others.  
So as some have mentioned, it boils down to his value as a pitcher.  You'd have to get it right if you, let's say, get two top notch pitching prospects.  One of the has to be an ace.  
And the final thing is, can you get another team to pay extra for the novelty?  If you can get extra return because of that then you do it.  This is where the rubber meets the road imo.  I love Shohei and he's the reason I tune in on most days.  But I would watch more if the team was winning regardless of whether they had a unicorn.  Find a way to turn the unicorn into value because he's a unicorn.  Do the math to help the team win.  Not to make them a bit more watchable.  
Here's how I feel right now.  I'll watch some Shohei highlights.  I'll watch some Mike Trout highlights.  I might tune into a game if Shohei is pitching.  But if they were 7 games over .500 and in a WC spot, I would probably watch every game.  And it wouldn't matter whether they had Ohtani.  
Bottom line.  Win and I'll care more.  Suck with Gosselin and Velazquez and Wade and a bunch of other crap?  You've totally lost me.  I'll pay half attention to the unicorn but frankly, If you lose 60% of the time I'm just not gonna care that much.  

I personally don’t think Ohtani will be an effective two way player for more than a handful of years.  3-4 more, perhaps.  And if trading him can rebuild the franchise then you do it.  If he is re-signed it will be another decade of Ohtani and Trout and a whole lotta drought.  Or something along those lines.

It’s starts with a shovel, tarp, duct tape and the trunk of Bills car. 

One thing I notice about Maddon is he knows a hell of a lot more about the team and baseball than some guy who knows how to embed Twitter feeds. 

Why can't the Angels get some breaks like they're getting today when they're playing the A's, Astros, etc.? (Well, I know the answer is probably "Because those teams are better," but whatever...Ha ha)

Maddon does a really good job at helping his players succeed. Like I already stated, he put Rizzo and Upton in the leadoff spot and both guys started thriving again once he put them there. Not to mention the shifts that he helped changed baseball when he was with the Rays. Those Rays pitchers benefited way more from the shifts than not. Managers started following his lead and now, shifts are common in the game. He might not be the best at managing a bullpen but with this bullpen, there's not really any good options for him to go to. Put any managers in his place and they would still look bad with this bullpen. 

Difference between Trump and Jim Jones. Trump would have you pay for the kool-aid.

No, it's not. Haven't you been paying attention to society? It is no longer OK to disagree. We must be at each other's throats all the time about every thing, so that we can ignore the absurdity of mega-billionaires flying into space in techno-penises while their employees pee in Snapple bottles because they don't have accessible bathrooms.

listened to him a bit tonight. he and gubi are both obviously feeling their way around each other (not gay). i wish his voice was a bit deeper.

I think we should all call him "The Arte" from now on.