Hubs

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Yeah but no. A 37 year old Ryu making $22 or more is a recipe for disaster.

If they sign Ryu and he performs and pitches 30 games then they’ll be better than this. if they don’t sign Ryu, and the trade prices are too high so they grab a couple of riskier arms and one or two come through... the rotation will be better.

Julio Teheran is not going to pitch to a 5.26 ERA.. he always outperforms his peripherals. They’re projecting Ohtani for only 110 innings. But otherwise it’s ok by me. Add a Wood or Walker in the mid 3’s and you’re set.

Not at the beginning of the year. Donnelly and others came on later in the year and transformed the pen.

Everyone has their favorite guys on the team and the guys they can’t stand. I just think your being a bit low on Upton and Simmons in particular, and always think Pujols is gonna be worse.

Since the one they thought they had (Bailey) took the pitching coach job with the Giants.

Solid, but not necessarily Ryu or a frontline trade item. I’d rather take a chance on two guys on two year deals rebounding.

A little optimism never hurt anyone. You’re always painting a very rosy picture of the Angels prospects but as far as the team itself... there are always surprises, misfortunes, luck (good and bad). We don’t know what they are going to do, but we can choose to have faith.

I saw the 30 was his ask after the two big guys signed which means I want no part. Walker and Wood makes sense for a combined 12M in incentive laden contracts.

Fixed.

Jarrod Washburn, Ramon Ortiz, Scott Schoenweis, Kevin Appier, Aaron Sele. (Matt Wise, John Lackey, Mickey Callaway). As Phil said in another thread, There’s a reason why they play the games.

Sign Alex Wood, AND Sign Taijuan Walker. It’s nothing fancy but I’d like that over Ryu, with Ryu’s injury history and reported salary demands of $30M per.

To say the addition of Anthony Rendon, two decent if not spectacular inning eating starters, Joe Maddon, and the return of Ohtani to pitching is worth only 9 wins is a pessimistic no fun having opinion at best.

Our bullpen stats from 2019, just like the starter ones are because of the use of the “opener” and it’s not a small amount. It’s probably 200 relief innings handled by guys who had terrible ERA’s.

Depends on the price. Keuchel at 3/60 is a bit high but I’d do 4/72. 3/54 would be preferable. But I think both guys are looking like 20M, for 4 years.

POSITION PLAYER -- LOCKS (9) Mike Trout, CF Justin Upton, LF Brian Goodwin, RF Albert Pujols, 1B/DH Tommy LaStella 1B/2B/3B David Fletcher, 2B/3B/SS/LF Andrelton Simmons, SS Anthony Rendon, 3B Max Stassi, C POSITION PLAYER -- POSSIBLES (2-4 spots) Luis Rengifo, 2B/SS Matt Thaiss, 1B/3B Michael Hermosillio, OF Elliot Soto, SS Anthony Bemboom, C 2-WAY PLAYER -- LOCKS (1) Shohei Ohtani, SP/DH 2-WAY PLAYER -- POSSIBLES (0-1 spot) Jared Walsh, 1B/LF/RF PITCHERS -- LOCKS (9) Andrew Heaney, SP Dylan Bundy, SP Julio Teheran, SP Griffin Canning, SP Hansel Robles, RP Cam Bedrosian, RP Ty Buttrey, RP Keynan Middleton, RP Felix Pena, RP/SP PITCHERS -- POSSIBLES (2-3 spots) Noe Ramirez, RP Taylor Cole, RP Justin Anderson, RP Jose Suarez, SP/RP Patrick Sandoval, RP Feel free to add/change.

I think they'd ask for Marsh/Fletcher/Canning, and the Angels would counter with Adams/Rengifo/Suarez and it would end up being somewhere between the two.

And I totally agree that Kluber isn't worth a Marsh/Canning/Rengifo, but that doesn't mean that that's not what the Indians asked for. Or two of the three. And I wouldn't do that Clevinger trade. I know he's great right now and we had him and traded him for a few months of a nothing pitcher, but I'm sure the Red Sox looked at the Jon Smoltz trade and wished it didn't happen.

I relistened to an old podcast from when Maddon was first signed, and he mentioned with Tampa his first or second year, he wanted to get 9 wins from the offense, 9 wins from the defense and 9 wins from the pitching and they'd be in contention. I honestly feel that White and Ausmus cost the team at least 7 wins. They were at one point 5 games over .500, and then absolutely fell apart after that..(5 games over was the last game I was at, the Dodgers series where they completed the season sweep). They were 2-4 after that, then 9 and 18 in August and 7 and 17 in September. Two terrible, awful months. Bad Bad Bad Coaching. I think before any other move was made this offseason, Maddon and Callaway pushed them to 77-85. With exactly the same team. Then they got rid of Mr. Garcia, who I feel allowed almost all of his inherited runners to score, even though it was only 42%. I think that adds some wins. I also feel like they kept Trout out for Sept, after he went down, because the season was essentially over. He'd have added a win or two if he'd been in there. Then they added Dylan Bundy, (and later Julio Teheran) both of whom eat innings, and go deeper into games than pretty much every Angels starter did in 2019. I feel like that's 2-4 wins added. Adding Ohtani back into the rotation as a starter, pretty much adds 2-4 wins, as in 10 games he would've been a 1.2 WAR pitcher, but if he had managed say 25, that turns into a 3 WAR guy. Then you take Anthony Rendon and put him after Trout (or possibly in front of?) anyway...it's a huge add. This team right now, without Keuchel or a solid C..could win 90 games. Add to that Houston losing Cole, Miley, and the Trash Can, they will regress. Add another starter, Adell breaks out, some other people step up or get back to what they'd done in previous seasons, plus adding a solid catcher.. This team could win the division.

6 years of control, incl arb. I actually bet it was Canning, Marsh, and Rengifo for Kluber. They probably want those three plus Jackson for Clevinger. HARD PASS.

Ohtani, Canning, Bundy, Heaney, Teheran, Pena/Sandoval is the rotation as of now. And that's if they go 6. Yes we need depth, but if they go for Keuchel, are they gonna do a 6 man straight? That's a good way of limiting innings.

This is absolutely ridiculous. Who gets displaced if they sign two starters, or three? Unless they move Heaney or Canning in said trade for Clevinger, what is the point? I think the adds of Bundy (who is your #3 or #4 type guy)... already pushed them back to .500. (Let Alone Adding Rendon). Contending, is already done by adding Rendon, a pitching coach who knows how to coach, and a manager who knows how to manage. Now, to make the playoffs, they need to add a 2/3, like Keuchel or Ryu or Jon Gray or yes, Clevinger. And also, to be fair, Clevinger was a low level prospect with a 4.4 ERA in A Ball when we traded him. They traded better prospects for guys like Upton, who then ended up not making the majors. Clevinger was never a top 100 prospect, and his emergence as a front line guy had a lot to do with being shipped to Cleveland and working with their staff, and Mickey Callaway.

I don't understand why people thought Bumgarner was on the decline, and an age risk, but Ryu was not. Bumgarner is 30, was mostly healthy minus a dirt bike accident, and had years of success. Ryu is 33, had almost never been healthy in his Major League career and some of you want to give him $80M? Though AO, I'd strongly bet that those MLBTR are low on both counts. 3-4 years at 17 for Keuchel, 3-4 years at 19 for Ryu.

I heard on a podcast last night that they think 2 years of Jon Gray would cost Marsh and Jackson. I think that was a likely ask for Kluber, as well. I do think though that, if the Bundy trade is any evidence, that they are trying to acquire pieces for 2020 who cost depth, not high end prospects. If they could get Gray for Suarez, Jones, and Jackson, plus maybe Rengifo, I could see it happening, but they don't want to give up Marsh I don't think. So I think we have to lower the expectation of who they are going to try to get.